Defendo?

[Nutz]

I was rummaging through the back pages of the latest Black Belt Magazine and found an ad for Defendo. I'll be honest with you, I took a look at the site and the sample videos and it seems like a complete system for *real* street altercations. Its looks simple and appears to be based on gross motor functions for the most part (which leads to their claim that only 40 hours are needed to master the material). I know some of the stuff may seem iffy, but it looks really close to what I saw when I trained with an Army SF troop a few years back. And since I'm always up for new ways of training for counter-assault situations, this looks like something I might be interested in. I was just wondering if anybody has heard of this before, or if they've seen the tapes and could vouch for their functionality before I shell out any cash.


PS.
After reading the info on the site, they claim that defendo is a direct decendent of Defendu, which at its roots is what William Fairbairn, Eric Sykes, and Rex Applegate taught during WW2.

[Tant01]

I was going to respond with something but then you added it in your post script... LOL Interesting thing if we think for a minute, W.E. Fairbairn was a Judoka, and considered by his contemporaries to be a vile ruffian. My kinda guy! I think he was just ahead of his time, did you know he's now considered the "father" of modern SRT and introduced the "double tap" technique of inflicting shock/ trauma? Well, we all know none of that crap works.... Good stuff!

[Nutz]

I was going to respond with something but then you added it in your post script... LOL Interesting thing if we think for a minute, W.E. Fairbairn was a Judoka, and considered by his contemporaries to be a vile ruffian. My kinda guy! I think he was just ahead of his time, did you know he's now considered the "father" of modern SRT and introduced the "double tap" technique of inflicting shock/ trauma? Well, we all know none of that crap works.... Good stuff!

I've heard of "double tab" in gun training in the past, but never in CQC or MA. Since I've never had it explained it to me in relating to empty hands would you care to enlighten me?

[Tant01]

Double tap; the act of firing two shots in rapid succession. See also "instinct" shooting and "quick kill" techniques.

[Nutz]

Double tap; the act of firing two shots in rapid succession. See also "instinct" shooting and "quick kill" techniques.

That's what I figured. What I meant was how does this relate to empty hands (how would this differerent from just throwing a double jab, or some other combo of two quick shots in rapid succession)? What does he consider "quick kill" techniques for modern CQC, and under what circumstances would they be advisable to use? I know some people just want to go for the kill shot right off the bat, while others advocate reserving lethal force as a very last option (i.e. if attacked with a knife they *might* try to choke instead of break the neck, thereby leaving themselves open to beign stabbed). Even others, such as myself, think the decision to use lethal force should be based on the threat at hand (i.e. if attacked with a knife, there is no reason to try a disarm if you can get the neck break from the get-go). Why wait for him to stab at you if you can put him down before the actual strike. Police are taught teh same thing. If facing someone with a lethal weapon, you don't have to wait for them to actually try to pull the trigger to shoot them. If they have the gun at their side and even attempt to bring it to bear on you, you shoot before he gets the chance to get a shot off. That's the sort of thinking I employ in my counter-assault tactics.

[Tant01]

Nutz>>That's what I figured. What I meant was how does this relate to empty hands (how would this differerent from just throwing a double jab, or some other combo of two quick shots in rapid succession)? What does he consider "quick kill" techniques for modern CQC, and under what circumstances would they be advisable to use? <<


Double tap is a pistol shooting technique, it has no empty hand equivelant. By inflicting double the damage you quadruple the effect of shock. QK is more along the lines of instinct shooting or "point" shooting, AKA sightless shooting... Quick draw and snap shooting (for a rifle) come to mind. It can also mean any technique that causes immediate deanimation. For instance deliberatly targeting the Medulla or C-1.

Teuler Drill/Distance: It has been accepted in courts of law, that if confronted by a knife-wielding assailant, that in the time it takes to draw, ready and fire a stopping shot, the knife-wielder can cover a distance of about 21 feet, and deliver a potentially fatal wound. In effect, lethal force can be justified if a knife-wilder closes to that distance.

[Nutz]

Interesting. I've never heard of the 21' closure clause before. My best friend from HS is a cop now. Guess I've got a few things to pick his brain about the next time I head back to my hometown.

[Tant01]

http://vettechick.com/tuellerdefensive.htm

Go read...I don't know if it qualifies as "old school" but this stuff has been around since the early eighties. This Lt. Tueller (Ret.) rocked the police world. It's pretty much required reading.

[BoarSpear]

actually if you have a firm base in combatives, or or a working knowledge of judo, get the books by Rex Applegate and W.E. Fairbairn. or watch the actual videos i posted of them along with Biddle /Styers in the military tactics forum.

some of the defendo looks okay but alot of it looked too complicated, and slow.