Escape from triangle

[dan downard]

I have been working on an escape that is really working for me.
Assume you have gotten sloppy and let your opponant put you in a triangle.
On the jiu jitsu .net page is a triangle escape where you push the leg to the mat and try to open the legs.
Well,once you get the leg on the ground,grab the ankle,pull down on it and swing your leg over it and take the ankle lock.
Doing a triangle you cross your feet.
It's the same escape you would use if someone had your back and crossed his feet.
Just from a differant position.
I am VERY flexable. So ,not everyone will be able to do this.
His legs are still wrapped around your head just as his legs are around your body when you take the ankle lock .
I kinda like taking the same ankle lock if someone crosses their feet when they have me in closed guard.Reach around and pull on that ankle that is crossed.
Kinda like a straight arm is a broken arm.A crossed ankle is a broken ankle.


[Edited by dan downard on 12-15-2000 at 11:11 AM]

[duchman]

Just headbutt him in the nutts!

[dan downard]

Dutchman,that may or may not get you out.What I am telling you is a submission and he will tap NOW.

[duchman]

most of the time. I wan to get me legs under my body stand up and control his legs

[dan downard]

When someone trys to standup to get out of a triangle ,just pull the arm straight and go for the armbar.

[John Bennett]

If the guy already has it lock in and I can't raise my head, I try to stack the guy, fold him up like a taco, and move to the side.

I forget which side to move to. But it works sometimes.

Is this even correct?

[hounddog]

When you're stacking and rotating, you have to spin toward the arm that is stuck in the triangle.
-hounddog

[John Bennett]

I ALWAYS do that wrong.

I think it's because I use my free arm to pull myself toward the guy's chest like when you're passing the guard. It's a habit.

I feel unbalanced trying to drive toward the side of my trapped arm. I need to drill that more. Thanks HD.

[hounddog]

No sweat JB. I only know that because I used to get caught all the time.
-hounddog

[Karlinhos]

thought...

hd,

yeah, but when you go to the side of the trapped arm... if the guy has that arm properly crossed in front of you, then you could be totally thrown off balance, rolled and mounted with the triangle still applied, no?

i know if a guy tried that escape on me, that would be the what i'd try to do. roll and mount (w/triangle).

[ILONGGO]

How's this:

As you stand up and start to spin/stack your opponent, place your knee closest to him on his outer thigh area and dig it in. Normally the pain is enough to loosen up or even release his lock.Hope this helps...

[Karlinhos]

ilong...

when doing that escape are there still not moments when your balance is OFF? a person being off balance in my triangle is what i'd try to capitalize on.

i was thinking, if the triangle is locked in then i feel your only chance of escaping relies on 2 things, 1)doing the right technique AND 2) the person applying the submission is not that experienced. i've NEVER even seen even a black belt escape a fully locked in triangle applied by another black belt. it truly is a TOUGH submission to escape if FULLY LOCKED.

i guess it's the same with most sports, YOUR success depends on YOU being more prepared than your opponent.

TRAIN ON!

karl

[david a]

Good point Karlinos. If he is good at it and he's got it locked fully, then you got problems.
But even guys with good technique can have momentary problems locking it up. (see Royce vs. Severn)
It is interesting to note that Royces first attempt, regardless of Severns lack of understanding, he drove his head forward and folded Royce up. This was just a reaction on his part, but it was affective. A few tings came into play there though like the fence being in the way.

So I guess my strategy is still to drive forward, because it gives you that added extra time to either wrap your arm around his head to defend the triangle, or step to the side and wiggle out.

Boy it's been a long time since I've seen a triangle...

[Tony10]

Those are some cool escapes.

One of my favorites--with a gi on--I learned not too long ago.

Let's say your triangled and he's got your right arm. Bring your knees to his tailbone. Using your LEFT hand, you grab his right leg gi pants and pull OUT, relieving some of the pressure. Using your RIGHT elbow (the arm that is trapped), wedge that against his LEFT leg and push out to the other side, taking the pressure off that side.

Obviously, you're doing all of this pretty much simultaneously, before he gets it really sunk.

Now bring your feet to his tailbone--now you're on your feet, in a crouched position with his legs still around you--as if you're going to stand up straight.

And... just sit (fall) straight back with all your weight. Not only do you get out of the triangle, you break his guard to boot.

That's my favorite. All leverage.

[ILONGGO]

I see what you're saying, Karlinhos. I should've clarified myself more. The BEST time to do the escape is BEFORE the triangle is totally sunk in. Good point, though...