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  • Are we insecure?

    This is kinda a "why do you train" question. Do you think most Martial Artists are insecure about getting their butts kicked in a streetfight? Statistically speaking the odds of getting in a fight are extremely low. The odds of an American being a victim of a violent crime (murder, rape, robbery, or assault) are about half of 1%. That number increases and decreased with where you live, but even in the worst cities, the probability is still extremely low. The odds decrease with lifestyle, neighborhood, and even attitude choices. Murder is 2/3 of the time conducted by someone the victim knows and is such a low probability that it is not even worth discussing for most of us. Rape is so rare for men that that is not worth discussing. Robbery is extremely rare (statistically) and usually does not result in physical violence. Assaults make up about 75% of that .5% chance. That's still low. If I remember correctly, only about 1/4 to 1/3 of assaults are weaponless, a large chunk (I think almost a third) inolve a blunt object for striking, a small number (like 15% I think) involve knives, and 20% or so involve guns. I don't have a study to back it up, but I would bet that at least 1/2 if not much more of assaults are by family or friends (domestic violence). The fact is that the vast majority of us will never get into a street fight. The only street fights I've ever been in were as a kid/teenager, and many of those could have been avoided had I run away or backed down. Also, statistically speaking, in assaults which constitute about 75% of all violent crimes bare hands are used only about 30-35% of the time. Other times weapons are used, yet most MArtists train for duels. Also, most assaults are that, "assaults," not really duels like a sporting fight. Most assaults are more "violent confrontations" than "hey, you have offended me, let's step outside and settle this honorably like men." Know what I mean? Most MAritists train for a level playing field "fight" or duel. Statistically that's as rare as a 3 dollar bill. Even "duels" on the street aren't like our sparring matches. Yet, most of us have this fascination with being able to fight in a square match. Then, look at the advertisements out there that appeal to Martial Artists--"learn these secrets to take down and defeat even the toughest, strongest, biggest, meanest, ugliest .... " Those ads are everywhere. Honestly, the toughest streetfightingest "I wouldn't mess with that guy" types I've known don't have any formal martial arts training. One of the best boxing trainers I ever met in my life never stepped foot in the ring, but he kicked more butt on the street than anybody I've ever met.

    Then, look at how combat comandos in WWII were trained and even are trained today in H2H combat. WE Fairbairn was one of the smartest, most knowledgable MArtists ever. He witnessed and participated in more real world life or death struggles, fights, confrontations etc.. than all of us combined will see in 10 lifetimes. When he came up with a system for fighting it was simple--get tough--get in the best physical shape you can, learn about 10 simple techniques that can be used anywhere or anytime that take exactly 1 day to learn, and strike first. Bamm! That does it. Granted Fairbairn was a Judo/Jujitsu expert who would probably like to train troops for 12 years to learn technical throwing and ground fighting. The point is that it doesn't take much to get an edge. Yet, many of us train as if that street fight is inevitable. I'm not saying that's necessarily bad, mind you.

    Are Martial Artists insecure? I think I am, just a little bit. I also enjoy the training, but honestly I was attracted in the first place to MA because I grew up in a rough place and I wanted to learn to fight, plain and simple. What do you think? I'm not talking about cops and the like who get into scruffs all the time. I'm talking about recreational MArtists.
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    Yes.
    75.00%
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    • #3
      Oh, and your statistics are a little skewed. Everyone I've ever known has been a victim of violent crime. Either robbed, raped, beaten, a combination of any or all of the above, multiple times.
      I've personally had a gun held on me by some crazy ****, on two seperate occasiona, different people, I've got a nasty scar on my face from an ice pick (guess I shouldn't talk shit to my bro on his girl) and been jumped 3 times.
      I've been in about 6 or 7 real all out fights, and about a dozen drunken scraps (drunken scraps translates to not any true danger, all realatively mild, no one's getting stabbed or shot)

      probably half of the girls I know have been victims of sexual assault, rape, or date rape. (I'm guessing it's because shithole utah has the 2nd highest per capita rape charge number in the contenental US)

      Bad shit happens. I see it every day.
      I guess if you have enough money, you get to rise above all of it, and ignore it, and quote misleading statistics to others who also don't have to stare at a cold and fucking sad-assed truth every day in the face.

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      • #4
        Being insecure can be bad or good. For example, the bad form of insecurity is someone who feels like he or she has to prove himself, this type of person wants to start fights just to show everyone else that he is a badass.

        The good form of insecure is never being 100% satisfied with your level of training. Thus, you are always wanting to add more techniques to your arsenal and never quench your thirst for more knowledge.


        As for the whole statistics thing, take it for what you will. Both of you are right in a way. For people who do not live in an urban enviroment where crime is common, I would agree that the risk of assault is much lower. Personally I have never been assaulted by a stranger and I am by no means rich. However, I also don't go to bars or nightclubs where confrontations like this are likely to occur. But I do understand that for some people avoiding areas like these is not an option.

        So, in conclusion, while you may not or may not live an area that has a high risk of assault, it's never a good thing to become so secure in your training that you become lazy and stop pushing yourself. Insecurity can be a good thing.

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        • #5
          Good point JaredExtreme

          my view is keep it humble. Like all things in life when u get to comfortable life just seems to throw a bucket of shit all over yur nice new suit.

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          • #6
            i think it is true, that alot of martial artists are insecure. i personally know a good deal of insecure martial artists who just want to seem like they are tough, and all they do is talk about how tough they are and how much they train everywere they go. i see people who have been training in ma for a few months who think they can just beat anyone now and have an agressive attitude towards others and try to start fights all the time. they also try to use the ma angle to get chicks and impress them. when i see this kind of behavior i think its really pathetic. people who are truly tough never ever feel the need to prove anything to anyone, thats why people who are quiet are the ones to look out for, not the douchebag at the party who hasnt stopped talkin about how tough he is the whole night. i know several people who go to parties and insist on showing chicks ma moves they have learned to impress them, and put them in holds and whatnot, and its so not cool and the chicks are so not down with that shit.

            when i 1st started training, it was because i wanted a bomb ass gf. and knowing that i wanted a bomb ass gf, i knew id have to be able to protect her from douchebags trying to bother her or get on her all the time. i mean face it, if a girl is even somewhat decent looking guys will be trying to get on her right and left. however, since then ive grown up a bit and realized that there is so much more to ma. and after witnessing how insecure alot of ma people are and how rediculous they act in public, i try my very best to be polite and humble to all people and i try my best to resolve conflicts with words.i dont even tell anyone i train, unless they bring it up or something. i mean, hell i fight all the time as it is when i train, so when i go out i just wanna have a good time.

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            • #7
              I guess I have never really thought about it. I have yet to have a person who has told me to watch my back, nor have I ever been in a situation where I need to defend my family. Personally I train to better myself mentally and physically and to help others while I am at it.

              Gruhn

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              • #8
                It's all different types really. Some are in it for all the esoteric and mastering mind and body. Some do it because they want a way to defend themselves if they have to. Others (pretty much like myself, though I do enjoy the philosophy and spiritual teachings) just like to fight, to learn ways how to fight, and to tussle with friends for fun and enemies for survival. It depends a lot on the individual at hand, and mindsets can often change while you participate in the arts.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by koto_ryu
                  It's all different types really. Some are in it for all the esoteric and mastering mind and body. Some do it because they want a way to defend themselves if they have to. Others (pretty much like myself, though I do enjoy the philosophy and spiritual teachings) just like to fight, to learn ways how to fight, and to tussle with friends for fun and enemies for survival. It depends a lot on the individual at hand, and mindsets can often change while you participate in the arts.

                  In a way that was hidden inside my answer also so I second that! By mentally I am referring to learning the art of combat, fighting, what have you. Physically refers to accruing strength and power over time.

                  Gruhn

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                  • #10
                    The odds of an American being a victim of a violent crime (murder, rape, robbery, or assault) are about half of 1%.
                    I believe Federal reports say 85% likely.

                    Really, I don't care much about stats or what not I enjoy training and one day it may come in handy.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kengar
                      I believe Federal reports say 85% likely.

                      Really, I don't care much about stats or what not I enjoy training and one day it may come in handy.
                      I agree. Not to mention that in training you have to face yourself, a true test that happens again and again.

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                      • #12
                        Hmm. This is a question that I have pondered for quite a while, but there are three major reasons why i do MA,

                        1) It keeps me in great physical shape
                        2) I enjoy training
                        3) Just in case...

                        Reason three is probably insecure, however it is the only reason there that it. So to some degree i am insecure. However, is it possible that insecurity is inherent within human nature, rather then being a personal deficiency (unless that insecurity takes over your life).

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                        • #13
                          I dont think that this is isolated to martial artists. Everyone feels slightly insecure about how well they can handle themselves should the situation arrive. Martial artists just try to prepair. I have this friend that tough as nails, and one day this little weak guy started a fight with him. My friend was scared as Hell. I remember thinking why is he so scared, he outweighs this guy by 100lbs, and is about a foot taller. Then it hit me. The reason he was tough as nails is Because he was scared. He wasn't the type to back down, but you could clearly see the fear. He knew what it was like to take an ass-whooping (his brother served him constantly). It was a real eye-opener.
                          I dare to say that he would not be so tough if he wasn't so afraid.
                          because he could control and conquer his fear he was a very dangerous man to fight against.

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