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  • Friends, Grapplers, Strikers...lend me your eyes

    I want to ask a few simple questions. And then I shall answer them.

    What has happened to our beloved forum? Why have some of us been behaving like foolish children? Where is the million-throated, democratic voice of Mousels BJJ forum?

    For months it has been dinned into us that we are a weak forum; that we are an inefficient people; that we are simple-minded and small in number. For too long we have been told that we are beaten, decayed, and that no part of the Internet belongs to us any longer.

    Some amongst us have fallen for this carefully pickled tripe. Some amongst us have fallen for this calculated poison. Some amongst us have begun to preach that the "wave of the future" has passed over us and left us a wet, dead fish. Some of us have moved to seemingly greener pastures.

    They shout--from private computers, through their keyboards--that it is futile to oppose the "wave of the future." They cry that we at Mousels, we elite MMA fans nourished on the UFC and the Gracie Family, hold moth-eaten ideas. They exclaim that there is no room for Mousels on the internet any more and that only the Trolls will inherit the earth. Mousels--the Mousels of Ronin and Ryu and EJ and Big Bird--they say, is waiting for the undertaker and all the hopes and aspirations that have gone into the making of Mousels are dead too.

    However, my fellow MMA fans, this is not the real point of the story. The real point--the shameful point--is that many of us are listening to them and some of us almost believe them.

    I say that it is time for the great people of Mousels to raise its voice and cry out in mighty triumph what it is to be an Mousels member. And why it is that only Mousels members, with the aid of our brave allies--yes, let's call them "allies"--the independant MMA forums, can and will build the only future worth having. I mean a future, not of over moderated forums, not of trolling torment and mental straitjackets, not of Rickson Vs Bruce Lee or Who is Fred Ettish--I mean a future when free members will make MMA posts with dignity and with security.

    This tide of the future, the MMA forum future, is ours. It is ours if we show ourselves worthy of our forum and of our heritage.

    But make no mistake about it; the tide of the MMA forum future is not like the ocean tide--regular, relentless, and inevitable. Nothing in human affairs is mechanical or inevitable. Nor are Mousels members mechanical. They are very human indeed.


    What constitutes a Mousels member? Not color nor race nor religion. Not the pedigree of his martial art nor the place of his birth. Not the coincidence of his citizenship. Not his social status nor his bank account. Not his trade nor his profession. A Mousels member is one who loves MMA and believes in the dignity of man. A Mousels member is one who will argue for the virtues of his favorite fighter against that of his most hated. A Mousels member is one who will sacrifice family, free time and a real life in order that he and his brother members may retain the rights of free men. A Mousels member is one in whose heart is engraved the immortal final sentence of UFC1. "Im going to Disneyland"

    Mousels members have always known how to fight for their rights and their way of life. Mousels members are not afraid to fight. They fight joyously in a just cause.

    We Mousels members know that freedom of speech, like peace, is indivisible. We cannot retain our liberty if three-fourths of the MMA forums are enslaved. Brutality, injustice and slavery, if practiced as dictators would have them, universally and systematically, in the long run would destroy us as surely as a fire raging in our nearby neighbor's house would burn ours if we didn't help to put out his.

    If we are to retain our own freedom, we must do everything within our power to aid other smaller forums. We must also do everything to restore to the peoples their freedom. This means the Trolls too.

    Such a program, if you stop to think, is selfishness on our part. It is the sort of enlightened selfishness that makes the wheels of history go around. It is the sort of enlightened selfishness that wins victories.

    Do you know why? Because we cannot live in the world alone, without friends and without allies. If the smaller boards should be defeated, then the totalitarian undertaker will prepare to hang crepe on the door of our own independence.


    Perhaps you wonder how this could come about? Perhaps you have heard "them"--the wavers of the future--cry, with calculated malice, that even if the small boards were defeated that we could live alone and defend ourselves single handed, even against the might of the super MMA board.

    I tell you that this is a cold blooded lie.

    We would be alone in the world, facing an unscrupulous Super MMA Board that would dominate all of the U.S, all of Europe, all of Africa, most of Asia, and perhaps even Russia and South America. To protect ourselves, we would have to spend most of our income on proxies and firewalls and software. Nor would this be all. We would have to live perpetually as an armed camp, maintaining a huge standing army of moderators and an IP blocking device. And we could not do this without endangering our freedom, our democracy, our way of life.

    Perhaps such is the Mousels "they"--the wavers of the future--foresee. Perhaps such is the Mousels that a certain UFC Judge, with his contempt for democracy, would prefer. Perhaps such is the Mousels that a certain DON desires. Perhaps such is the Mousels that a certain BJJ & Boxing student longs for.

    But a perpetually militarized, isolated and impoverished Mousels is not the Mousels that our fathers came here to build.

    It is not the Mousels that has been the dream and the hope of countless MMA fans in all parts of the world.

    It is not the Mousels that Fifty Thousand of us would care to live in.

    The continued security of our forum demands that we aid the downtrodden members of the small MMA boards of Sherdogs and--yes, even of Thingvolds--to win back their liberty and independence. I am convinced that if we do not embark upon such a program we will lose our own freedom.

    We should be clear on this point. What is convulsing the Internet today is not merely another old-fashioned flame war. It is a counter revolution against our ideas and ideals, against our sense of justice and our human values.

    Three systems today compete for Internet domination. Communism, fascism, and democracy are struggling for social-economic-political MMA Forum control. As the conflict sharpens, it becomes clear that the other two, fascism and communism, are merging into one. They have one common enemy, democracy. They have one common goal, the destruction of democracy. The destruction of Mousels.

    This is why this battle is not an ordinary battle. It is not a conflict for markets or territories. It is a desperate struggle for the possession of the souls of MMA fans.

    This is why the small MMA forums are not fighting for themselves alone. They are fighting to preserve freedom for MMA fans everywhere. For the moment, the battleground is the at their forums. But they are fighting our war; they are the first soldiers in trenches that are also our front-line trenches. Once they succumb there is only us.

    In this time of ideas and of loyalties we believers in democracy must do two things. We must unite our forces to form one great democratic international. We must offer a clear program to freedom-loving MMA fans throughout the world.

    MMA-loving men and women in every land must organize and tighten their ranks. The masses everywhere must be helped to fight their oppressors and conquerors.

    We, free, democratic Mouseks members are in a position to help. We know that the spirit of freedom never dies. We know that men have fought and bled for freedom since time immemorial. We realize that the liberty-loving Sherdogians are only temporarily enslaved. We do not doubt that the Thingvolds people are looking forward to the appearance of another DONBREAKYOUARMI. We know how the UnderWorld members have for years maintained a heroic resistance against tyranny. We remember the brave struggle of the rebels under Vij and other leaders. We recall the heroic figure of Mike Dorio and the gallant fight for freedom from censorship on MMA boards. The story of the XX forum', especially Steven Steele's blows for liberty and independence is a saga of extraordinary heroism. The noble figure of Tim Mousel, the great Mousels forum creator, has naturally been compared with that of George Washington.

    No, liberty never dies. The Genghis Khans come and go. The Attilas come and go. The Hitlers flash and sputter out. But freedom endures.

    Destroy a whole generation of those who have known how to walk with heads erect in God's free air, and the next generation will rise against the oppressors and restore freedom. Today on the Internet, the Nazi Attila may gloat that he has destroyed democracy. He is wrong. In small forums all over the internet, in the chat rooms of ICQ and AOL, in the emaiils of Hotmail and Yahoo, freedom still lives in the hearts of men. It will endure like a hardy tree gone into the wintertime, awaiting the spring.

    And, like spring, spreading from the South into Scandinavia, the democratic revolution will come. And MMA fans with democratic hearts will experience comradeship across artificial boundaries.

    These MMA fans, hundreds of thousands of them, now in bondage or threatened with slavery, are our comrades and our allies. They are only waiting for our leadership and our encouragement, for the spark that we can supply.

    These hundreds of thousands, of MMA-loving people, now oppressed, constitute the greatest sixth column in history. They have the will to destroy the fascist gangsters.

    We have always helped in struggles for freedom of speech. And we will help again. But our hundreds of thousabds of MMA-loving allies would despair if we did not provide aid and encouragement. The quicker we help them the sooner this dreadful revolution will be over. We cannot, we must not, we dare not delay much longer.

    The fight for the small MMA boards is in its crucial stages. We must give the small forums everything we have. And by everything, I mean everything needed to beat the life out of our common enemy.

    The second step must be to aid and encourage our friends and allies everywhere. And by everywhere I mean all the small independant MMA boards.

    And finally, the most important of all, we Mousels members must gird spiritually for the battle. We must dispel the fog of uncertainty and vacillation. We must greet with raucous laughter the corroding arguments of our appeasers and fascists. They doubt democracy. We affirm it triumphantly so that all the world may hear:

    Here at Mousels we have something so worth living for that it is worth dying for! The so-called "wave of the future" is but the slimy backwash of the past. We have not heaved from our necks the tyrant's crushing heel, only to stretch our necks out again for its weight. Not only will we fight for democracy, we will make it more worth fighting for. Under our free institutions, we will work for the good of mankind, including the Super MMA Boards victims, so that all may have plenty and security.

    We Mousels members know that when good will prevails among men there will be a world of plenty and a world of security.

    In the words of Winston Churchill, "Are we downhearted," No, we are not! But someone is downhearted! Witness the terrified flight of Mr X, The Super forums Number Three Man. And listen to this--listen carefully:

    "The small MMA boards can be counted upon to carry through to victory any struggle that they once enter upon no matter how long such a struggle may last or however great the sacrifices that may be necessary or whatever the means that have to be employed; and all this even though the actual technical equipment at hand may be utterly inadequate when compared with that of other messageboards."


    We will help to make this prophecy come true. We will help brave the small forums drive back the hordes from Hell who besiege them and then we will join for the destruction of savage and blood-thirsty dictators everywhere. But we must be firm and decisive. We must know our will and make it felt. And we must hurry. We must find a person wiling to become a moderator durung this hour of need. He would be a special man, a man amongst men. One in a million. A man hopefully with training in Ninjutsu and with great leadership skills.

    Your only hope is to make me a moderator. Vote 1 Shimora.

    VOTE NOW!


















    [Edited by Shimora on 12-19-2000 at 06:38 AM]

  • #2
    A nice effort, but the voice of the people is being heard. Their cries are simple yet sincere.

    "No trolls should be banning MY posts",
    "No ninjas should have access to my password",
    "No Gore supporting New Guinean should be imposing his big government values on the mighty Mousel's forum"

    Shimora, you may have the experience of a man that has lived over 600 years as a ninja, but you refuse to hear the greater voices of the constituents.

    Marcus, the peoples choice for forum moderator.

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    • #3
      Do not listen to this man, he speaks lies. I heard he has snorted Coke.

      Were you ever busted for drunk driving Marcus?

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      • #4
        I categorically deny all alligations brought against me. Mabey you would like to comment on the soft money that your campaign is recieving from Kirik, Choke and Machine May.

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        • #5
          I hardly know those guys and you know it. Any monies I have received have been legitimate payments for consulting fee's.
          If im one thing its honest. Forum members I will not only be your moderator, I will be there for you in times of need. I will initiate the push for a Mousels retirement plan for all members. The health system for MMA fans has never been good. I vow to push for a free medical plan for all Mousels members (including dental).

          VOTE 1 SHIMORA

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          • #6

            "No trolls should be banning MY posts",

            "No ninjas should have access to my password",

            "No Gore supporting New Guinean should be imposing his big government values on the mighty Mousel's forum"


            AMEN BROTHER!!!

            Shimora has no business being ON this forum, much less moderating it.

            For years he has trolled this forum with posts about how BJJ sucks. Others may have forgotten, but I remember.

            For years he has trolled this forum with posts promoting his stupid ninja fantasies. The only reason he posts such tripe is for flame-bait.

            He runs a commercial website dedicated to selling ninja toys and dangerous weapons to kids. It's at http://www.anabolicninjutsu.com

            He has his own forum on that website where he makes fun of MMA'ers and promotes himself as a Ninja Grandmaster.

            He's made himself famous internet-wide as a buffoon and Ashida Kim wannabe.

            This whole moderator campain is just another method of getting attention.

            He doesn't even train in martial arts!

            Need I even go on?

            Not only should he not be moderator, I vote that he be banned from this forum. His very presence here is an insult to the many fine fighters and practitioners who read and post to this forum.

            Would Mario Sperry post on the same forum with a jerk like Shimora? Of course not. He has too much class to waste his time posting where he would be questioned and criticized by an idiot like Shimora.


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            • #7
              Originally posted by Marcus
              A nice effort, but the voice of the people is being heard. Their cries are simple yet sincere.

              "No Gore supporting New Guinean should be imposing his big government values on the mighty Mousel's forum"
              Shimora, you have just earned my vote.

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              • #8
                i vote for SHIMORA!

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                • #9
                  War Pig I feel some hostility from you my friend. You have made your racist views known at The Otherground and I suspect that it is my racial background that makes you despise me so. I understand. I have seen Springer and if your dad was like those KKK idiots on that show you had no hope but to be anything else. Lets address some of your concerns my friend.

                  "Shimora has no business being ON this forum, much less moderating it."

                  Well ive only been here for what seems 5 years. Ive seen many come and go. Ive made many friends amongst the BJJ community on this forum. How long have you been here and what have you contributed?

                  "For years he has trolled this forum with posts about how BJJ sucks. Others may have forgotten, but I remember.
                  For years he has trolled this forum with posts promoting his stupid ninja fantasies. The only reason he posts such tripe is for flame-bait. "

                  Not at all. Its true I have made posts suggesting that Japanese Wrestling may have been the key to defeating BJJ. Low and behold it turned out true in the Pride events. I hardly think that was trolling. As for my Ninja fantasies, I study Ninjutsu what is so unbelievable about that?

                  "He runs a commercial website its at http://www.anabolicninjutsu.com "

                  "He has his own forum on that website "

                  "He's made himself famous internet-wide "

                  That is true and its all the more reason that Tim should take advantage of my talents. If ive done all that by myself imagine what I can do for this forum.


                  "He doesn't even train in martial arts!"

                  Oh my friend you are so very very wrong on that one.


                  "Not only should he not be moderator, I vote that he be banned from this forum. His very presence here is an insult to the many fine fighters and practitioners who read and post to this forum."

                  Why not ask Fabrizio, Rafiel Torre, Andreh Anderson, Ashida Kim or many other well known BJJ or MMA personalities what they think of me?


                  "Would Mario Sperry post on the same forum with a jerk like Shimora? Of course not. He has too much class to waste his time posting where he would be questioned and criticized by an idiot like Shimora. "

                  Oh what. He would prefer to be questioned and criticised by an idiot like you instead? Mario Sperry, good example my friend. When does he post anywhere? The ONLY time he ever posted at The Underground was to promote his seminar. One time, one or two posts. I hardly think my presence would have affected his decision to post either way.

                  Hope that helps to clear up your concerns.


                  I will treat you as I would treat my best friend if I am made moderator. I have taken no offense by your post. Thanks for your comments.

                  VOTE 1 SHIMORA

                  MODERATOR ELECT





















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                  • #10
                    So tell us the name of the school where you train Shimoron.

                    You can't because you don't.

                    It's just that simple.

                    You get your jollies being a troll. Trolls don't belong here.

                    Tell us where you train or shut up and leave.


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                    • #11
                      Retirement plan? Health care? Who do you propose pay for these items Franklin D. Shimora? The good people of Mousel's?

                      The funny thing is Shimora speaks of freedom, yet he supports big forum government that increases HIS power. Whom is he really working for?

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                      • #12
                        Nice try, Shimmy, with the "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" speech.

                        I don't think so.

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                        • #13
                          I dont believe in Big Government forums at all.
                          I dont propose the people pay for the retirement or health plans at all my friend. I propose that Tim places one click thru banner at the bottom of the page. There are many good click thru programs these days. I suggest he finds the most lucrative one and all revenue made from this one banner goes towards the care plans. Its up to the members to click that banner as often as they can. This would be the foundation on which the plans would be built.

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                          • #14
                            So, let me get this straight. You propose a program that would slow down the connection for those less fortunate who can't afford a DSL by adding banners? I wonder who would collect the revenue?

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                            • #15
                              War Pig said to Shimora:
                              "So tell us the name of the school where you train Shimoron. You can't because you don't. It's just that simple. You get your jollies being a troll. Trolls don't belong here. Tell us where you train or shut up and leave."

                              LOL, War Pig is right, it really is that simple.

                              You see Shimora, you have no credibility. You aren't even a real person with real references. This entire long-winded speech of yours is nothing more than rhetoric w/ a splash of sarcasm. This forum has plummeted because of two reasons (1) the infatuation for the sport of NHB and MMA has waned from when it was new and alive, and (2) too many trolls made "serious posters" either leave or become trolls themselves. It is not gratifying to waste a lot of time writing something real and serious to put out there to stimulate the thoughts and responses of others ... only to have a clown like yourself throw a one-liner quip to degrade it as a response ... like a stupid kid pissing in a barrel of fine wine.

                              I admit, I became a troll too, but I sure didn't start out as one. I had real references and am a real person who made his own real contributions to this forum at one point. Same with Hawk, Harlot, Civet, Kirik, Zhoozhitsu, judo guy, etc. ... most of whom have either left the forum or who have been warped into trolls themselves because of the ill effects of people LIKE YOU who make taking the time to offer something meaningful a WASTE of time. Most of those who remain just come here for entertainment.

                              If this forum is ever to regain a semblance of seriousness and credibility again, having you as its moderator wouldn't just be a step in the wrong direction, it would be huriling the forum in the trash can. So take your silly desire of wanting to preside over this forum and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. Because to anyone of serious mind, putting you as a moderator would be like branding the word JOKE on the forehead of this forum.

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