What works and what doesn't

[Tom Yum]

I train at Gokor's studio in Hollywood thats in California just in case you are as stupid as you seem. Gene Labell teaches me there and many other people that train there are masters in several styles "mostly in grappling". Don't forget to tell me where you train at so I can laugh. Guarentee you it's a place unrecognized as a good place to train as ignorant as you sound.

Sorry if I sould blunt but thats the way I am because I am a fighter. If you do not like if suck my a$$hole.

Hey Ground Pounder, while I tend to agree with your philosophy on fighting, throwing insults at Samurai Guy while trying to boast about training with Labell is low.

Sure, he might say dorky things, but out of all honesty most of us aren't professional fighters - some of us beginners, all of us still learning. Established fighters are humble people even though they can fight with surgical precision under high pressure.

Even Tyson, who fights on the streets, is a nice fellow most of the time but people try to push his buttons to exploit his temper and get their 5 seconds of fame.

Labell is a very respected instructor, because he has taught legends and because of his hard earned abilities. I'd bet that Labell is a man of good heart and humility too.

[Tant01]

...throwing insults... while trying to boast about training with Labell is low.

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...Labell is a very respected instructor, because he has taught legends and because of his hard earned abilities. I'd bet that Labell is a man of good heart and humility too.

"Uncle" Gene would never approve of this crap Pounder is slamming on these boards. But lets face it, with a name like Ground N Pound we should expect the primitive "stone throwing" tactics.



That Judo is superior to most "stand-up" arts is OLD news. Hurting a "Blackbelt" for fun just because you can is like using your Judo on untrained women or kids. Grow up a little...Only an insecure fighter needs to bash other artists...

Our local Academy has an open door policy for guests and their attitudes. Doesn't mean I go around to the Mc Dojo's slamming the Karateka and telling them they wouldn't last ten seconds with a white belt at MY school.

Judo is better than that. Too bad you havn't learned this gentle waza yet.

[wardancer]

I've heard that the BB test for kyokushin karate is a 100 man kumite. That is sparring 100 guys. That's a feat that only a top ranked pro-fighter could pull off and not every kyokushin guy fights professionally.

It is not true, only a few Kyokushin fighters finished sucessfully the 100 kumite challenge. But they fight other Kyokushins BB for one days, due to shortage of fighters the challenger will fight with (let says) 10 BBs for 10 times each with small break intervals for the challenger, he has to win something like 80% fo the fights. They usually start early in the morning until night.

However, it is not a requirement for BB.

[wardancer]

Why is that a shame?

You exactly got to the point.
Where is that a shame?
Most TMA do not train their students for MMA event.
They simply train for their own sport rules.
MMA fighters simply are class of their own really.

[academian]

MMA fighters simply are class of their own really.

Please explain !?

[wardancer]

Wow lol. I am not trying to insult you but you need go take a English class and learn propper grammar and spelling SamGuy lol. So tell me MR where do you train at? Because I guarentee you the people I train with are obsolete to the ones you train with. Unless your teacher use to teach Bruce Lee like mine did and Chuck Norris. Lets hear where you train at?

I train at Gokor's studio in Hollywood thats in California just in case you are as stupid as you seem. Gene Labell teaches me there and many other people that train there are masters in several styles "mostly in grappling". Don't forget to tell me where you train at so I can laugh. Guarentee you it's a place unrecognized as a good place to train as ignorant as you sound.

Sorry if I sould blunt but thats the way I am because I am a fighter. If you do not like if suck my a$$hole.

Lets hear it then,
Do you actually to take part in MMA events or are you just blowing wind?
It sounds to me, you are just one of those useless members that just like talking trash about others because you just claim to belong to a 'famous' club.
Do you have actually have a fighting record and legal name to back up your statements?
Beware, many so called Gracie affiliated clubs used to mouth off until the time the local hard mens came to ask for the Gracie challenge, then they turned yellow!
The best advice you can give people in this forum is on HOW you club prepare potential fighters to MMA and how it makes them succesfull in the ring/ cage.
Otherwise you either blowing in someone trumpet meaning you just want to get credit for someone else achievement or simply talking trash.
SO let hear it, i am keen to have some real details about your fighting career in MMA vs other TMA that we all can check out in the MMA organisation you have been fighting e.g website.

[academian]

Please explain !?

[wardancer]

Please explain !?

Well, it is used to be a time where TMA had so rigid competition rules for sport safety (that affected its application in the everyday class because you wanted to become the sport champion)
But they also separated the striking and wrestling, Mas Oyama and Kimura both train both arts (together actually) both did MMA challenges but rather did stick with teaching what they were good at really.
But now MMA students actually train on a different fighting format that you cannot compare to the TMA rules.
Some Ashihara Karate students actually fight in Thai Box and K1 fight just to prove that their Karate will succed in such format.
But it is not the norm, most TMA do not bother to prove their skills in other fighting format which make MMA fighters in a class of their own really.
But that just not end here, Vitor Belfort would rather fight in UFC rather than Pride because they would allow elbow strikes (or vice versa) for exemple.

[Sensei Saki]

Well that's okay.
Who said
used to be a time where TMA had so rigid competition rules for sport safety that affected its application in the everyday class because you wanted to become the sport champion But they also separated the striking and wrestling Mas Oyama and Kimura both train both arts together actually both did MMA challenges but rather stick with teaching what they were good at is? For real.Huh.
Why now?
My brain contains more than 22,000 patterns, but not one that matches your last input.Umm.
What would be the norm most TMA do not bother to proove their skills in other fighting format which make MMA fighters in a class of their own? For real.Umm.
"Tell me a story" not end here Vitor Belfort would rather fight in UFC rather than UFC beacuse they would allow elbow strikes or vice versa for exemple ?
Does that make sense?

[academian]

But it is not the norm, most TMA do not bother to proove their skills in other fighting format which make MMA fighters in a class of their own really.
But that just not end here, Vitor Belfort would rather fight in UFC rather than UFC beacuse they would allow elbow strikes (or vice versa) for exemple.

I dont understand this last part. And I dont understand why MMA people dont participate in boxing tournements

[wardancer]

Well that's okay.
Who said
used to be a time where TMA had so rigid competition rules for sport safety that affected its application in the everyday class because you wanted to become the sport champion But they also separated the striking and wrestling Mas Oyama and Kimura both train both arts together actually both did MMA challenges but rather stick with teaching what they were good at is? For real.Huh.
Why now?
My brain contains more than 22,000 patterns, but not one that matches your last input.Umm.
What would be the norm most TMA do not bother to proove their skills in other fighting format which make MMA fighters in a class of their own? For real.Umm.
"Tell me a story" not end here Vitor Belfort would rather fight in UFC rather than UFC beacuse they would allow elbow strikes or vice versa for exemple ?
Does that make sense?

Well apart the fact that i am French and my written english sucks.
Which side are you on?
TMA or MMA?

[academian]

I am not on any side I just get tired of MMA people. Thinking their style is the only one that is good . they have their style and their rules and they discredit everyone else because they will not fight by their rules so I say why dont they fight a boxer with boxing rules and see how well they do And sensei sake is a computer no use trying to reason with it

[wardancer]

I dont understand this last part. And I dont understand why MMA people dont participate in boxing tournements

Because they will suck.
wanderley silva, the axe murderer from Pride, and he is a mean fighter lost by decision against a heavier opponent from K1 (Mark Hunt).
He always had it easy versus other MMA as a striker but versus a guy like Mark that came up the K1 striking grade, he was useless.
But Mark was heavier and has been training with Gracie Barra (on of the top BJJ team in Brazil) prior to the fight.
Actually I would like to see more K1 fighters in MMA events because Mark proved that a striker with basic BJJ could do well in MMA.

[academian]

Thank you I understand now.

[wardancer]

I am not on any side I just get tired of MMA people. Thinking their style is the only one that is good . they have their style and their rules and they discredit everyone else because they will not fight by their rules so I say why dont they fight a boxer with boxing rules and see how well they do And sensei sake is a computer no use trying to reason with it

I am not on any one side but I was big time into Karate until I saw the first UFC I realized I needed to defend versus take-downs and grapplers.
I had a big fall out with my master because he refused to teach me because he was also a 3 dan Judo.
Nevermind I moved on, I moved country but I did give another try with another club, same old stuff.
Move on to a Muy thai club to learn some effective kick boxing but find out they had a brazilian BB that taught BJJ, from then I never looked back.
But I can assure you, my master do NOT promote vale tudo (nhb/mma) as part of BJJ, it is simply an art of its own even he teachs to his top students..it is not that simple..Vale tudo is an art of its own..most BJJ players want to mouth off about it but cagefight is not taught in your everyday BJJ classes.
Actually the arrogant BJJ attitude towards other TMA is only form the Gracie factions and their affiliates, most BJJ players are quiet happy getting along with ohters styles.
My club got invited by the local Judo club for a submission fight open tournament (no gi), no belt division and no politics,only weight categories, BBQ and beers and we all had get full. My parents came along and saw smaller fighters submitting bigger opponents in a safe/friendly and competitive environment, what else can you ask for really to spend a Sunday afternoon between clubs?