What works and what doesn't

[Tom Yum]

I will tell you right now your average blackbelt 3rd degree or whatever will not win against a average boxer. Nor will he win against an average wrestler.!

I have to agree with GP on this one.

Gene has an awesome reputation as an instructor and even better one as a real-life fighter.

However, you can't say that all BB's suck. There are guys from judo, karate, jujitsu, silat or other styles who have put their skills to work successfully. Again, some people look at BB as something to obtain with self-discipline and study while others really earn it in challenging training environments.

I've heard that the BB test for kyokushin karate is a 100 man kumite. That is sparring 100 guys. That's a feat that only a top ranked pro-fighter could pull off and not every kyokushin guy fights professionally.

[ready]

Lets be honest here do people really belive that you can get away with rolling around on the ground looking for a choke or lock in a real situation? 2 words multiple attackers. Where i come from this is likely to get u well and trully battered. Listen i have nothing against mma/ufc but they are sports with rules referee ect. The guys that take part in these events or just train it are in superb condition and in the cage on your own are to be seriously respected .Conditioning is a huge part of real fighting as we know and that includes fighting on the ground, but not in a sporting fashion, in a real fight that could get u killed ( his friends possibley with weapons). I agree, alot of martial artists would get done by a average boxer or wresler, it is a great shame but true. But as some1 said there are exceptions, do u not think that the warriors of old were not not as conditioned or more as the fighters of 2day, do u not think that some of 2days traditional martial artists are not training in the real old ways holding there own floor and upright, tested through the fire. The problem with 2days ma's is they are not conditioned and do not fight(within training or not) . You cant tar every1 with the same brush. I wish every1 all the best in thier training whatever field that is.

[academian]

randori

[jubaji]

I agree, alot of martial artists would get done by a average boxer or wresler, it is a great shame but true. .

Why is that a shame?

[jubaji]

do u not think that the warriors of old were not not as conditioned or more as the fighters of 2day, .

No, I don't think so.

[ready]

Why is that a shame?

It is a shame because it is a sad situation that alot of 2days TMA cannot fight, have no real strengh or explosive power and are practicing a load of stuff that does not work.Like i said a big shame.

A TM artist should have far more tools than a boxer but sadly they dont. They should have good low kicks, knees,elbows,forearms,headbutts, upright grappling & ground work( hopefully quick & efficient) and not with crappy technique but solid and tested. On top of this he should b well conditioned & able 2 take some punisment.

As we know this is not the case, we have all seen the bad examples of TMA, but that is not what it is really all about. Sadly the real TMA are dying, alot have lost the conditioning,the traditional wieght and cardiovascular elements, & do not pressure test thier stuff. So what you are left with is unconditioned people who cant fight.

Imagine that people are still training MMA in 500 years but they no longer spar, box, grapple, do weights, sprint,eat right and only train 2 times a week. Do u think that those future non fighting out of shape guys would b a good representation of MMA 2day? Of course they wouldnt..
But the equivalent has happened 2 TMA.

As 4 the conditioning thing I dont want 2 get into a debate, we will have 2 agrree to disagree. I know the MMA guys are superb atheletes that deserve all the respect they get, those guys train till they drop.

[jubaji]

It is a shame because it is a sad situation that alot of 2days TMA cannot fight, have no real strengh or explosive power and are practicing a load of stuff that does not work.Like i said a big shame. A TM artist should have far more tools than a boxer but sadly they dont. .

Boxing and wrestling aren't traditional martial arts?

What is really a shame is the fact that you cannot communicate without using numbers in the place of words. That is truly a shame.

[academian]

(I-C-U-R-A-PP) Can you relate?

[ready]

U r the 1 that asked the question, whats the point in getting personal? i am just being honest with my opinion, if u cant respect some1's opinion that is up 2 u, but u wont get any insults out of me.

Good luck with your training

[Tant01]

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As 4 the conditioning thing I dont want 2 get into a debate, we will have 2 agrree to disagree. I know the MMA guys are superb atheletes that deserve all the respect they get, those guys train till they drop.

Stay in school.... PLEASE! Learn to use the keyboard for "traditional" English. Respect is earned and it starts with the way we communicate.

But u don't have 2 take my word 4 it....

[jubaji]

assuming you are a school kid of some sort...

U r the 1 that asked the question, whats the point in getting personal? i am just being honest with my opinion, if u cant respect some1's opinion that is up 2 u,

You must do very well in math class!

to + to = for

[Tom Yum]

(I-C-U-R-A-PP) Can you relate?

LOL....good one. Somewhat classy and not above PG.

[Ground Pounder]

I think this guy is just trying to sound important... you learn all this shit./.. and MAYBE.. MAYBE you can come to one of the places I train at... and I train everyday and all that shit.... how do you know the shit your training is so superior to everyone else... and how could yo uhave an 8-0 boxing record if you got a rude awakening... wouldnt that have been a loss.... and I wouldnt think your all that great... I bet you Ray Lewis could beat the **** out of you and he prolly knows 0 Martial arts.... actually Ray Lewis could prolly beat the **** out of most people.... except for me of course LOL

Wow lol. I am not trying to insult you but you need go take a English class and learn propper grammar and spelling SamGuy lol. So tell me MR where do you train at? Because I guarentee you the people I train with are obsolete to the ones you train with. Unless your teacher use to teach Bruce Lee like mine did and Chuck Norris. Lets hear where you train at?

I train at Gokor's studio in Hollywood thats in California just in case you are as stupid as you seem. Gene Labell teaches me there and many other people that train there are masters in several styles "mostly in grappling". Don't forget to tell me where you train at so I can laugh. Guarentee you it's a place unrecognized as a good place to train as ignorant as you sound.

Sorry if I sould blunt but thats the way I am because I am a fighter. If you do not like if suck my a$$hole.

[Ryu (JKD?)]

Sorry if I sould blunt but thats the way I am because I am a fighter. If you do not like if suck my a$$hole.

What's your name? Who have you fought? Where did you fight? Where are the listings?


Having met and trained with real fighters, I'm getting a bit bothered by the bad name they get by people who speak this way.

[Big Man]

The person that wins the fight is the one that wants it the most. A lot of people go on the physical part of fighting but what it all boils down to is the mental game. And it WWE not WWF and its not crap its entertainment!