NHB Kicking

[Badger]

Besides the Muay-Thai kicks has anyone seen effective kicks in NHB?

I once broke a Wrestler's ribs with a sidekick as he rushed in-but I'm yet to see this in NHB.




-Badger

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

For a joke I did a jump back kick to a guy's throat when he went for a takedown once...I pulled back though, it actually worked and the only reason it did was because he didnt expect it at all. Im sure that will never ever work again. Marco Ruas was pretty good with his leg kicks and so is Rizzo and Rutten. So I'd say kicks are pretty sucessful.

[Edited by YeLLa-TiGeR on 12-22-2000 at 03:32 PM]

[dan downard]

The best kickers,Mo and a few others are too heavy to do any fast kicks.The awsom kickers are usually real light.
Kinda hard for a guy that weighs 250lbs to jump in the air and kick 4-5 times while moving forward.
And the guys that can ,are all doing Tae Kwon Do.
The amount of grpplers that inter UFC is larger than the amount of strickers for the event is setup for them.
That soft grappling mat really sucks to try and do any fast kicks on.Really.It slows you down to half speed.

[Shrimp]

Pat Smith's running push-kick in an early UFC is pretty well known.

Pete Williams KO'd Coleman with some kind of round kick.

Maurice KO'd Conan with a high kick, I believe.

[Twisted up]

Kicking

Many "traditional" martial artists say that they can't understand why more people don't use anything other than the muay Thai LEG kick (like the side kick, front kick, etc..).

I would like to see more people doing this but the trouble is, more often than not kicking will off-balance the kickER. Many people aren't willing to take that chance.

If it works I say USE it. (Pertaining to kicking or ANY fighting technique)

Van Arsdale used a side kick once against (sorry) Joe Pardo. Of course he dominated him from the start. Those two weren't even on the same page!


John

[Evilution]

I saw an IFC where Vladimir Matshushenko succesfully used some savate type toe kicks against Travis Fulton (BTW I could be totally wrong about the fighters were). The reason they worked though is he didn't see them coming, they were very unexpected. I think that's because, as Twisted up said, kicking can put YOU off balance so kicking is best employed in a sneaky manner. I like to set them up by making my opponent think I'm going to go high by distracting them with punches. Then while they are trying to protect their face WHAM! nail em with the leg kick.

[Bau13]

You wanna see good kicks?
check out King Of The Cage "Gladiators"...
Duane Ludwig(trains under Bas Rutten) puts on a Muay Thai clinic on his opponent...IMO that was the best striking I've ever seen in MMA...

[sccr06]

What did you think of the kicks in the last UFC? I think Chuck Liddel was pretty effective, even with his high head kicks. And even though he lost, Kondo got 2 good knees in on Tito.

[Twisted up]

The trouble with some kicks

I am presently learning to kick, primarily to learn to defend better against them.

The main problem I run into is that kicking is almost an "All or nothing" endeavor (for SOME kicks anyway).
My kickboxing coach is teaching me to do several kicks, including front and side kicks. I have found that my kicks (this could be said for ANY kick, or punch for that matter) have a general range in which they are effective--with the leg almost fully extended.

This poses a a few problems as the kick will not have full power immediately before or after it's intended "target range". So, if you jam the kick or back-peddle out of range, the opponent is left with nothing to his kick and isn't in position to do much else.

As a side point, my instructor is a "traditional" martial artist. He tries to train realistically but is still hung up on side kicks and things like that. He is having a hard time understanding that after someone kicks, there is a split second where it's safe to enter quickly and clinch up. For this reason, I think the leg kick is one of the better kicks to use in fighting. Though I also feel that it's quite possible for someone to become a great fighter without EVER learning to kick!

Just my two cents.

Merry Christmas!

John

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

You can be a great fighter without learning how to kick, but I bet if you train that same fighter in kicking, he'd be better.