most effective street fighting style?

[kuk sool won]

I train in martial arts for many reasons, for fun, fitness, a sexy body da ladies love but another of these reasons is so i do NOT have to carry a weapon in order to defend myself. I suppose we could all wear bullet proof vests and gum shields when we walk our dogs also but its not going to happen. I suppose im lucky in that i live in a relatively peace town, in a relatively peace part of England but even if i lived in the mean streets of New York i still wouldn't carry a gun.

'Is it true a kuk sool won teacher paid Gary Goodridge to wear a kuk sool won gi during the early days of the UFC?'

Not true. Gary used his broadcasting powers in order to spread this thusly making his ego and his rep sound better.

Its a very complex story so i will try to simplify it for you. Basically, a KSW school in Canada were training and fundraising for one of thier students so that he could compete in the UFC, they wanted to promote thier particular school (which displeased the WKSW organisation once they found out), at this time Gary Goodridge knew a practioner within the school, Gary asked him to ask the schools master (Master Lee) if they could use the schools mats after thier classes, seeing as M. Lee is one of the nicest people you will every meet he said yes without throught.

GG heard about the KSW wanting to enter the UFC and went and watched him train, now at this time UFC did not have weight categories and GG was A LOT larger than the KSW practioner, so GG asked if he could spar with him for a while, Master Lee realised that the KSW practioner just didnt have the size to compete against people like GG although he was a supreme Martial Artist. Although GG wasn't a KSW practioner the student Master Lee , being the pure soul that he is, gave GG the money so he could fund his way into the UFC, the only condition was that he wore the Gi at some point in order to promote his school, they also gave him an HONOURARY KSW belt. They never once mentioned he had to say he trained in the school and the techniques he used were KSW techniques it was purely to give somebody like GG the chance to live his dream and to do a little for the Canadian school in the process.

- After that GG claimed that he destroyed the student who wanted to enter in a spar and they awarded him the belt offically, totally incorrect.

- He also gave credit to a different KSW school and no thanks to the student or Master Lee.

- He never even thanked Master Lee and the student for the money to enter the UFC

- In disappointment of GG's actions Master Lee broke all ties with GG, not complaining, not even publicating it because thats the nice guy Master Lee was.

So as usual, the media got the overall picture correct but missed the points and details entirely.

http://martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45123

This will make it more clear than i can, ask some of the masters about it.

[Paco]

Thanks for clearing up the issue with GG and KSW. I have to say though, having lived in NY for a while, even there it's still a bitch to get a gun. Gun control laws only screw the law-abiding middle classes, as the cops and the crooks will always have them. I heard from people in NYC that you can't even get knives now. If somebody has the real info, i'd appreaciate it.

[Tant01]

Packing.org

[Tom Yum]

Agree with Tant and Mike

Mike -

I have to agree about firearm training. There's a famous jeweler out there who has a number of confirmed kills under his belt, not because he's a gun freak, rather because he was a target of a number of armed robberies by well armed gangs and happened to take his training seriously.

Lowlife dirtbags only care about pain and try to target those that can cause the least and get the biggest payoff.


Tant -

Fighting more than one person is impossible, but i agree on the mentality. You will get gang attacked at once and hit in such a broken rhythm. Hitting back is the only thing you can do and it does have a psychological effect, especially if you can really hurt or stagger one or two of the attackers. For the most part, you're still screwed...how about those wind sprints??

[Tant01]

Teams maybe...

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Tant -

Fighting more than one person is impossible, but i agree on the mentality. You will get gang attacked at once and hit in such a broken rhythm. Hitting back is the only thing you can do and it does have a psychological effect, especially if you can really hurt or stagger one or two of the attackers. For the most part, you're still screwed...how about those wind sprints??

Yes running away is one option but not always. The mindset went out the window with your statement of "It's impossible".

Most styles of silat consider a minimum of three attackers up to as many as ten or more.

Doing THAT with your bare hands might be difficult but a knife or modern firearm can dispatch them fast in the RIGHT hands.

Defeating a trained team that work together is another story. A swat team for example will kill you if you aim your weapon or thrust your knife. You might take out one or two but they will win eventually.

The thing is WE don't pick the situation that we would like to fight in. They do. The advantage of numbers is a common tactic of bad guys.

[Tom Yum]

Nice - Thanks guys.

My experience is probably tainted due to the fact that I was much younger (barely able to drive) when first involved in a multiple attacker situation and had about 6 months of TMA training and semi-contact under my belt in a style that was not as focused on combat.

You're right, Mike.

With age comes greater strength and mental toughness and fortunately, I haven't had to fight any multiple attackers since as I try to avoid putting myself in those situations in the first place.

I'd love to take a look at Vu's work on multiple attackers.

Thanks for the advice guys!

[BoarSpear]

multiple attackers isnt impossible to deal with from experience, i know it can be done, but you have to be willing and able to injure your opponents to win.

it seems far too many people want to just get away in a conflict, without hurting the opponent, which is hollywood in a real fight where the opponents intent is to injure or kill you, if you dont have the same intention youre in for an ugly surprise. ADD multiples to the equation and if you arent prepared you will get your #%* handed to you.

[Tom Yum]

multiple attackers isnt impossible to deal with from experience, i know it can be done, but you have to be willing and able to injure your opponents to win.

it seems far too many people want to just get away in a conflict, without hurting the opponent, which is hollywood in a real fight where the opponents intent is to injure or kill you, if you dont have the same intention youre in for an ugly surprise. ADD multiples to the equation and if you arent prepared you will get your #%* handed to you.

I got my @$$ handed to me after knocking two dudes down then they all charged in and started throwing shots at the same time What can I say, I was a teenager with only a few months of MA experience, TMA experience.

[47MartialMan]

What if the multiple attackers were experienced brawlers?

[BoarSpear]

What if the multiple attackers were experienced brawlers?

whats your point? Sure ANYONE can be overcome if the conditions are right, especially if multiple opponents are involved, does that mean stop training for the situation?

[Tom Yum]

whats your point? Sure ANYONE can be overcome if the conditions are right, especially if multiple opponents are involved, does that mean stop training for the situation?

Hell no.

[Tom Yum]

What if the multiple attackers were experienced brawlers?

They seemed to be, they were bigger and I was a F-ing kid with just a couple of months MA experience.

You learn.

[Tant01]

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You learn.

That's one way... the school of hard knocks?

Bruce Lee once said the very best training for an event is the event itself. I suppose that would accelerate the learning curve but a better foundation in the fundamentals couldn't hurt.

[Tant01]

A round of beers...

What if the multiple attackers were experienced brawlers?

What if it was a team of NHL players? What if they were commandos or ninjas or power rangers?

What if they're Hell's Angels? I'd say you were in big trouble but you might buy them a beer and have a great time? Who knows?


Intent is the foundation for everything we do...What is the intent?

[ussdsajin]

In my personal opinion i don't think that any of the posted arts are the most effective STREET FIGHTING arts. 90% of them are ring arts or sport arts. So they train for the ring not for the street. and make no mistake they are very different enviroments. In the ring there are rules and regulations where on the street there will be now penalties or big johns to stop the fight if you get caught. however there will be real emotional confrontation, weapons, friends jumping in, sucker punches so on so forth. Not to take anything away from a lot of those arts as martial arts but as self defense arts they will offer some benefits but if you are talking about STREET FIGHTING they just don't measure up to todays society. Now the arts such as wing chun, silat and the other traditional styles, they're good but they are to traditional, meaning they think the old ways and they are in dire need for some updating. what worked for monks and people three thousand years ago has little relivance today. out of the listed ones wing chun would most likely be the best. if you want a good street defense art go with something old but that has been refined over the years. kajukenbo is a good one but kempo is where its at. kempo i found developes better self defense skills and a avoid confrontation type attitude where 90% of the kajukenbo instructors double as bouncers. go to united studios of self defense get personalized training in all aspects of self defense and call it a night. sorry for the lenght but i had a lot to say on this one.