most effective street fighting style?

[47MartialMan]

Well, if there really are a bunch of feather-weight boxers running around this country beating the shit out of NFL linebackers, then I guess I lose this debate.

But, one of my points still stands: Nearly everyone knows how to throw a punch. Very few people know how to apply or defend against submission grappling.

Nah, it is to point out that with a grand training/tactic such as strong combo, can certainly do in someone.


And, nah, most of the brawls Iv'e seen, there wasnt enough time for grappling to take place.

And yea, it is always better to study as many tactics/methods from many situatons, as WELL as to learn counter methods

[medic06]

Well, if there really are a bunch of feather-weight boxers running around this country beating the shit out of NFL linebackers, then I guess I lose this debate.

But, one of my points still stands: Nearly everyone knows how to throw a punch. Very few people know how to apply or defend against submission grappling.

Nope, big time. how many streetfights have u seen with two guys windmilling at each other?

[jeff5]

But, one of my points still stands: Nearly everyone knows how to throw a punch. Very few people know how to apply or defend against submission grappling.

True. There is probably a better general knowledge of something like boxing skills just due to exposure and history. Still, I would argue that few know how to throw those punches and kicks correctly, or have the skill/timing/co-ordination etc. to beat a skilled striker.

[Sabin]

Nope, big time. how many streetfights have u seen with two guys windmilling at each other?

Actually, I don't see that at all (except for online videos of fights between junior high kids).

Most of the fights I've seen have played out the way I described them before: one guy charges another guy, throwing punches as he charges, and either shoves or wrestles the other guy to the ground, then starts pounding away. I've honestly never seen a fight where two guys pick away at eachother from a distance (though I'm sure it does happen). This is why I think the way I do about fighting. When I think of an experienced brawler, I think of someone who charges forward very aggressively, throws his opponent to the ground, and then starts pounding on them.

And, nah, most of the brawls Iv'e seen, there wasnt enough time for grappling to take place.

Sorry, with respect, I just don't understand this. You and I must have experienced brawling very different ways. Seems guys are always grabbing for the shirt, or the head, or the hair. I don't see how you can arrive at the conclusion that there is not enough time for grappling.

Let me know what's up.

[cam427]

Damn Mike.... Where do you work?

[Tant01]

Reality check, eh Mr.B?

Thanks for sharing!

[jubaji]

In no case would I have wanted to be on the ground amidst a busy club full of stomping feet and unknown aggressors, rolling around in swill and broken bottles. The street was the same way. Ever try to hold a mount or guard while you're on gravel or asphalt? It sucks. And imagine the difficulty in being on your back in that gravel and asphalt with two or three other guys kicking you in the head. Bottom line is, in most real-world situations, going to the ground is more dangerous to you than whomever you're fighting. You will more often than not have to deal with weapons and multiple attackers. You'll most likely have to deal with environments that don't lend themselves to rolling around on the ground (streets, nasty bar floors, syringe filled alleys, etc.). .

And lava. Don't forget the lava.


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[BoarSpear]

Nice post Mike, Its funny how many little juke joints like that there are around...I was introduced to bouncing as a testing ground by Danny (eye) from Vu in the mid 80's...its amazing how many bar owners put the big spenders before the staff I require anyone who wants to be certified to instruct under me to bounce in a local slaughter house (biker/titty bar) for a couple years to learn to fit the techniques to the insanity of bar fights.

[treehugger]

Nice post Mike, Its funny how many little juke joints like that there are around...I was introduced to bouncing as a testing ground by Danny (eye) from Vu in the mid 80's...its amazing how many bar owners put the big spenders before the staff I require anyone who wants to be certified to instruct under me to bounce in a local slaughter house (biker/titty bar) for a couple years to learn to fit the techniques to the insanity of bar fights.

Please don't tell me you are referring to Paul Vunak! You are even more of a tool than I first thought if this clown is your hero! I trained for a month with one of his cronies at Bloor and Dundas West in Toronto. It was a fucking joke. You are such an idiot it is getting old. You are saying you have student bouncers who try out thier techniques on useless drunks??? Do you ever stop, or do you just keep on making a fool of yourself? You are really starting to agravate me dickhead. Once again, this forum is Mixed Martial Arts and BJJ!! **** OFF!!!!!!!!

[BoarSpear]

Please don't tell me you are referring to Paul Vunak! You are even more of a tool than I first thought if this clown is your hero! I trained for a month with one of his cronies at Bloor and Dundas West in Toronto. It was a fucking joke. You are such an idiot it is getting old. You are saying you have student bouncers who try out thier techniques on useless drunks??? Do you ever stop, or do you just keep on making a fool of yourself? You are really starting to agravate me dickhead. Once again, this forum is Mixed Martial Arts and BJJ!! **** OFF!!!!!!!!

Glad to piss you off again stickhumper If you think Vu's stuff is a joke you are a fool!! thanks for showing us all what a complete MORON you really are.


PS my hero isnt Vunak, its your Momma, she deserves a ton of respect for the hell she went through raising your dumbass...like me any better now asshole?

[TechniqueFreak]

most effective street fighting style?

What style of martial art would you train in order to be a good street fighter? Let me ask you this: If you wanted to be a good marathon runner, which brand of treadmill would you buy? If you desired to be a champion bodybuilder, which book would you read? If your goal was to be an accurate marksman, which paintball gun would you practice shooting?

By "good street fighter" I'm guessing you mean someone who fights people in various public places and generally gets the best of them by dealing out more physical punishment than they receive. I'm afraid if I tell you to train a martial art you may absorb some sort of values, morals, or sense of honor. This could potentially reduce your effectiveness. Just do the following:

1. Always attack first, with a weapon, from behind, and completely by surprise. I wouldn't recommend using a gun, since that's not very sporting. If they turn to face you, keep hitting/stabbing/slicing and don't slow down. Don't kill 'em, though, 'cause that makes for less pain.
2. Admire the results of your work for just a second, then get the hell out of there. If anyone tries to interfere, nail them too, but get the hell out of there. Maybe now get out your gun and loudly threaten to kill anyone who tries to stop you from leaving.
3. Get in the car and go. Drive exactly five mph over the speed limit, and don't weave around in the lane. Subtly look in the rearview mirror to see if you're being followed. If the coast is clear, have a cigarette on the way home while coming down off your adrenaline rush.
4. Don't ever brag or speak about what you did to anyone.

In consideration of the aforementioned, "street fighting" has everything to do with attacking, and nothing to do with defense...or dojos...or katas...or "good roll today, buddy"{affectionate slaps on back}...

NEXT THREAD...NEXT THREAD...NEEEEXXXXTTTT!

[treehugger]

People always say that you'll piss a lot of people off once you get it right and make it to the top. Some granola-munching, crystal-gripping, tofu-snacking, hobbit-footed treehugger lambasting Paul Vunak? I guess that means Paul is doing alright...

I do enjoy granola, hate tofu and not sure what hobbit-footed means, but Vunak is still a tool, and I will not bother responding to boarfag again, it is a waste of time. You are clearly both living in your parents basement dreaming of the day somebody pays you some respect. Sorry jackass, it's not going to be today

[BoarSpear]

I do enjoy granola, hate tofu and not sure what hobbit-footed means, but Vunak is still a tool, and I will not bother responding to boarfag again, it is a waste of time. You are clearly both living in your parents basement dreaming of the day somebody pays you some respect. Sorry jackass, it's not going to be today

Its ALWAYS enjoyable when the 12 yr olds get all opinionated. Its seems finding out santa isnt real and his favorite art is just a sport all in the same week is more than he can handle...now he is gonna displace all his rage at us

Ps, hey woody-humper, the easter bunny aint real either

[blitz]

Treehugger is so hostile against everyone ;(

[Tom Yum]

I do enjoy granola, hate tofu and not sure what hobbit-footed means, but Vunak is still a tool, and I will not bother responding to boarfag again, it is a waste of time. You are clearly both living in your parents basement dreaming of the day somebody pays you some respect.

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Ok, who is this?