most effective street fighting style?

[Tant01]

Lets....

Clean the shit out of your eyes son, I told you to read carefully. Before jujitsu I trained in MT and Boxing/Wrestling. No belts there. Now this is your last reply as well. I won't subjuect others to this crap any longer. By the way, I am humble too, just not when listening to idiots spout off about supposed superior styles when said stylists have proven nothing in my eyes, other than being able to beat the crap out of untrained fighters... BIG accomplishment...

ps. Tell your buddy to stop whining and replying to me, I told him I would have nothing further for him and he knows where to find me

I see just fine.... I see bark. You say you study with Vunak "TOP STUDENT" twelve years ago? Who? Was he some seminar JKD guy? Frankly it's moronic to JUDGE a style by the ability of one instructor.

Here's me being you.... I studied BJJ 12 years ago with so and so top student. So and so is a tool and his style is crap. ANY of my instructors could kick his ass...


Yeah Gracie Judo sucks and my new hop ping man tis kong fu wu shoe is the real poop... come see for yourself...


You don't know shit about jujutsu. But it's good stuff right? You're basing this on your experience with the Brazilian variety?


did I miss anything?

[Sagacious Lu]

Clean the shit out of your eyes son, I told you to read carefully. Before jujitsu I trained in MT and Boxing/Wrestling. No belts there. Now this is your last reply as well. I won't subjuect others to this crap any longer. By the way, I am humble too, just not when listening to idiots spout off about supposed superior styles when said stylists have proven nothing in my eyes, other than being able to beat the crap out of untrained fighters... BIG accomplishment...

ps. Tell your buddy to stop whining and replying to me, I told him I would have nothing further for him and he knows where to find me

FYI... It really doesn't matter how good you are at the stuff you claim to practice, if you're not willing to show a little basic respect the people on this site are never going to accept you. Many of the people here have been practicing and teaching multiple styles for decades. You might want to think about that before you post.

[Anti]

Sagacious, that shouldnt only be going toward Treehugger. Tant downs peoples styles/posts on occation just as alot of others di here. But you are right in whole.

[Tant01]

Who is Vu? What is PFS? Canadian instructors?

FYI... It really doesn't matter how good you are at the stuff you claim to practice, if you're not willing to show a little basic respect the people on this site are never going to accept you. Many of the people here have been practicing and teaching multiple styles for decades. You might want to think about that before you post.

Lets get to the bottom of this? Bark (AKA treehugger, AKA Jeff) studied with a Vu "top student" over a decade ago. He seems disapointed with the stuff he was taught? Why?

Paul Vunak keeps records of his certified instructors, those instructors keep records of their assistant or associate instructors...

IF tree bark actually trained with a certified "top student" then maybe he would be the Canadian representative of the PFS system today? Maybe not. Does this instructor still teach PFS or was it an older system?

If Bark only studied phase one maybe he was too advanced to be in a introductory seminar?

I'd like his previous instructor to know how Bark feels about Vunak this and Vunak that...

What a "tool" his students can be, etc...etc... Perhaps the instructor could come visit his academy and Bark could tell him personally what a bunch of crap the system is.



Name? I'll be happy to contact any legitimate Vunak student in Canada on his behalf...

[Tant01]

Who me? LOL

Sagacious, that shouldnt only be going toward Treehugger. Tant downs peoples styles/posts on occation just as alot of others di here. But you are right in whole.

Yes, but I do it out of love....

[holly9000]

Tequila Kune Do

[treehugger]

FYI... It really doesn't matter how good you are at the stuff you claim to practice, if you're not willing to show a little basic respect the people on this site are never going to accept you. Many of the people here have been practicing and teaching multiple styles for decades. You might want to think about that before you post.

Agreed. I have also been training for quite some time. Once again I will state that the comments about the individual were unfounded, and recanted. The comments about the style are extremely valid, as I have had experience with it, and are in direct rebuttal to comments about sportive styles. No disrespect intended until it is extended, which in this case it was by two rather boarish clowns, period. Please keep in mind the title of this forum; mma and bjj are sportive styles, so I think those that bash them are instigators, not myself or others that defend them.

[Sagacious Lu]

Lets get to the bottom of this? Bark (AKA treehugger, AKA Jeff) studied with a Vu "top student" over a decade ago. He seems disapointed with the stuff he was taught? Why?

Paul Vunak keeps records of his certified instructors, those instructors keep records of their assistant or associate instructors...

IF tree bark actually trained with a certified "top student" then maybe he would be the Canadian representative of the PFS system today? Maybe not. Does this instructor still teach PFS or was it an older system?

If Bark only studied phase one maybe he was too advanced to be in a introductory seminar?

I'd like his previous instructor to know how Bark feels about Vunak this and Vunak that...

What a "tool" his students can be, etc...etc... Perhaps the instructor could come visit his academy and Bark could tell him personally what a bunch of crap the system is.



Name? I'll be happy to contact any legitimate Vunak student in Canada on his behalf...

This makes a lot of good sense. I know I'd be just as pissed as Mike is if it were my teacher he was shooting his mouth off about.

[treehugger]

Lets get to the bottom of this? Bark (AKA treehugger, AKA Jeff) studied with a Vu "top student" over a decade ago. He seems disapointed with the stuff he was taught? Why?

Paul Vunak keeps records of his certified instructors, those instructors keep records of their assistant or associate instructors...

IF tree bark actually trained with a certified "top student" then maybe he would be the Canadian representative of the PFS system today? Maybe not. Does this instructor still teach PFS or was it an older system?

If Bark only studied phase one maybe he was too advanced to be in a introductory seminar?

I'd like his previous instructor to know how Bark feels about Vunak this and Vunak that...

What a "tool" his students can be, etc...etc... Perhaps the instructor could come visit his academy and Bark could tell him personally what a bunch of crap the system is.



Name? I'll be happy to contact any legitimate Vunak student in Canada on his behalf...

OK, one more for you and this is it: Once again, you really need to READ. I have nothing personal against the Vunak student who I trained with, only the style. Having said that, I would gladly step in a ring or ROLL with him any time, as I would anyone else (not assuming I would win, but not afraid to try). This does not mean I hate him or wish him harm (DID YOU GET THAT PART genius?). Now, this Progressive Fighting Systems you speak of had a center in Scarborough Ontario (a suburb of Toronto). This guy was affiliated with it. He had a center at Bloor and Dundas West in Downtown Toronto (with a Dundas West address) in 1996, and apparently he had been there for a while. I cannot remember his name (I want to say Steven, but not 100% on that), but if you can track him down more power to you. And just to clarify a little, I have no idea what phase one is, just how they trained... i.e. coreographed movements, not alot of real, full speed/full resistance, alive training. So finally, let me get this straight... it is OK for you to criticize another style, but not me? You are nothing but an unfortunate follower, pissing in his pants to please someone else and begging for praise afterward. Don't worry, I am sure he will scratch you behind your ears for your efforts

[Tant01]

It's still there.

OK, one more for you and this is it: ...
.. Now, this Progressive Fighting Systems you speak of had a center in Scarborough Ontario (a suburb of Toronto). This guy was affiliated with it. He had a center at Bloor and Dundas West in Downtown Toronto (with a Dundas West address) in 1996, and apparently he had been there for a while. I cannot remember his name (I want to say Steven, but not 100% on that), but if you can track him down more power to you. And just to clarify a little, I have no idea what phase one is, just how they trained... i...

...

Steven Lee is a full instructor (now) under Makoto "Nip Kicks" Kabayama. (Kabayama Bushidokan)

Kabayama is a full (senior) instructor under Vunak.
Toronto, Ontario, Canada (Lansdowne Ave./Bloor St. W.)?

The only instructor listed in Scarborough is Pete Chassikos, also a full instructor under Kabayama...

So. now that I've tracked him down for you, do you want his address? Want his e-mail? Phone number? Want to keep talking shit about a system you admit knowing NOTHING about?



This might be YOUR last chance?

[BoarSpear]

I am humble too, just not when listening to idiots spout off about supposed superior styles when said stylists have proven nothing in my eyes, other than being able to beat the crap out of untrained fighters... BIG accomplishment...

Hmmm...untrained fighters? hehehehe cmon down to Fl sonny, we can go hang at the clubs i was referring to, go ahead and call these guys untrained fighters....see how fast your MT and bjj run out of answers for the questions those "untrained fighters' ask with their uneducated hands and feet...

you ever even seen a "1 percenter" boy?? .....keep on talking nonsense....this thread is about street effective martial arts and Vu has done TONS of research and development on that subject, as have the large majority of bikers (RUBS not included).

you invited people to YOUR club, im inviting you to MINE...

[jubaji]

...and another thing Macho Man Randy Savage, you'd better be prepared because the bell tolls for you! (rips t-shirt) I've been checking the weather charts Macho Man, and the forecast calls for..........PAIN.................

[Mr. Arieson]

Hmmm...untrained fighters? hehehehe cmon down to Fl sonny, we can go hang at the clubs i was referring to, go ahead and call these guys untrained fighters....see how fast your MT and bjj run out of answers for the questions those "untrained fighters' ask with their uneducated hands and feet...

you ever even seen a "1 percenter" boy?? .....keep on talking nonsense....this thread is about street effective martial arts and Vu has done TONS of research and development on that subject, as have the large majority of bikers (RUBS not included).

you invited people to YOUR club, im inviting you to MINE...

WOW! I don't think I would ever want to fight with any of those bouncers!!

[treehugger]

...and another thing Macho Man Randy Savage, you'd better be prepared because the bell tolls for you! (rips t-shirt) I've been checking the weather charts Macho Man, and the forecast calls for..........PAIN.................

No Kidding! OK, first of all Taunt-o got it right, that is the guy. I think I will go by his place and see if things have changed. If not, I will attempt to point out to Kabayama or Steven what I think the weakness is (and it was only training method last time I was there), and ask him to show me how I am wrong. Now if you think I am going to go in alone and start a fight, you are a retard. No training is required for multiple guys to pummell a lone person

OK, which one of the biker types in the photo are you Boarfag? Yes, I know what a 1 percenter is. They are dirt bag criminals who on thier own would be dead or in prison (they usually end up that way anyway) You are truly a loser man, if you are such a hard ass biker type, why the **** do you spend your time on a martial arts forum? Anyway, I will be in Daytona in March, where is the bar you bounce in?

[BoarSpear]

No Kidding! OK, first of all Taunt-o got it right, that is the guy. I think I will go by his place and see if things have changed. If not, I will attempt to point out to Kabayama or Steven what I think the weakness is (and it was only training method last time I was there), and ask him to show me how I am wrong. Now if you think I am going to go in alone and start a fight, you are a retard. No training is required for multiple guys to pummell a lone person

OK, which one of the biker types in the photo are you Boarfag? Yes, I know what a 1 percenter is. They are dirt bag criminals who on thier own would be dead or in prison (they usually end up that way anyway) You are truly a loser man, if you are such a hard ass biker type, why the **** do you spend your time on a martial arts forum? Anyway, I will be in Daytona in March, where is the bar you bounce in?

I have worked special events since 88 in daytona, i dont live in daytona anymore so i usually pop in and work the busiest events, bike week and biketoberfest...where will i be in march when the Nascar fans are in town? i dunno but email me im sure we can arrange a meet somewhere you might actually get through the door (with your attitude you wont make it)....and you DONT know what a 1 percenter is I see....(they have ALL already been to jail and killed someone) When the Outlaws HQ is only separated from your club by the cemetary, you get a few 1 percenters a day in the bar...usually they aint trouble, but when they are, they REALLY are a problem....younger guys trying to become patch holders provide PLENTY of fight experience though...it isnt the best enviroment, UNLESS you are trying to put your skills to the test.
You actually get tons of practice DE-escalating trouble and spotting trouble before it erupts...but you know all that right??

Oh BTW nutthugger, i aint any of those guys, until i get through with the death threat investigation, i wont be postin anymore pics of me so that an assasin from the shaolin temple in GA can shoot me in the back (this is you again aint it?) ....just ask for Boots...that way people can tell me someone is looking...