what grappeling arts are the best for mma and self-defense

[jubaji]

it was a joke buddy calm down b4 u hurt urself n if u cant read my typing well 2 damn bad

Good luck with that 'cool' lingo champ. Literacy can't be that important, right?

[JkD187]

in 2days society i think not

[jubaji]

in 2days society i think not

Yeah, you keep thinking that. Should work out well for you.

[JkD187]

awwww thank you <- there are you happy?

[danfaggella]

i just wish guys from all of these arts would meet somewhere and train with each other for a week. this would bring about some awsome, awsome progress in furthering grappling.

it would be so beautiful

[jcantuna]

Do you guys consider JKD grappling and submission wrestling the same thing? I am new to grappling - in your opinion, for self defense purposes, wouldn't it be better to train without the gi on a regular basis? And really, if you have no intentions of ever competing in a tournament what good does training with the gi do? In my limited experience choking an opponent wearing a gi vs. choking someone wearing a t-shirt are 2 entirely different things. Is traditional BJJ focusing too much on competitive situations rather than on self defense?

[Asta]

In my limited experience choking an opponent wearing a gi vs. choking someone wearing a t-shirt are 2 entirely different things.

The only difference is its easier to get the choke on. T-shirts are much finer around the coller than gi’s, thus making a much tighter squeeze. Plus you can pull a t-shirt so tight and stretch it so far it would cut like piano wire.

[BoarSpear]

The only difference is its easier to get the choke on. T-shirts are much finer around the coller than gi’s, thus making a much tighter squeeze. Plus you can pull a t-shirt so tight and stretch it so far it would cut like piano wire.

what the hell do they make t- shirts out of where you live? you can almost pop a mans head off with a t -shirt?

[JkD187]

lmao man thas funny

[cam427]

I want one of those shirts. They must last forever.

We never train with a gi. When you remove the Gi about 50% of the chokes disappear but the most important stuff stays the same (position, position, position).

I put far more emphasis on position than submissions in my club anyway. Doing this makes you more effective in more scenarios. ie. In a Gi competition you are slightly less effective but in a no-gi comp or a Vale Tudo fight (or a real fight) you have a huge advantage.

This is the part of BJJ that makes it so effective against the stupid attacks the "deadly" street fighters use. If you are trying to choke/submit a guy (who is not wearing a gi) and he is sitting in your guard punching the shit out of you, you are in serious danger. Even if you train "anti-ground and pound" this is a crap position to be in. If you are sitting on top of a guy's chest and he tries to poke your eye or grab your nuts you can just beat him unconcious.

I would recommend training with and without the Gi and with and without striking. All very different scenarios you should try and master.

Cam

[cam427]

Sorry, I only read the send page before my last post.

My answer to the original question is:

Greco-Roman / Freestyle / Judo for standing clinch, takedowns and head control on the ground

Bjj for Ground and Submissions.

[pstevens]

I seperate MMA from self-defence. Allow me to explain.

I see MMA, as a sport where two individuals have trained to "do battle" one with the other, There is a ref, a corner man, ect... it can be stopped at any time. You can even hold the person in the guard for a long time.

I too separate self-defense from MMA. MMA guys go at it 110% while self-defense classes dwell in hypotheticals: "grab my wrist and I'll twist you like this, so that you fall down." "Stab me with a downward motion, so I can defend this way, and do this and that."

MMA guys would crush SD guys in a fight.

[medic06]

I too separate self-defense from MMA. MMA guys go at it 110% while self-defense classes dwell in hypotheticals: "grab my wrist and I'll twist you like this, so that you fall down." "Stab me with a downward motion, so I can defend this way, and do this and that."

MMA guys would crush SD guys in a fight.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight

[Eyegouge]

For MMA gotta say any style that will teach you how to control a clinch and throw strikes in it, and break things like bones and joints on the ground. Pinning is superficial in a mma or street fight.

real street fights are always f'd up odds like 2 vs 8. Kempo or Krav Maga is the way to go. Multiple oppent non grappling styles. Take down and grab defense is very essential but you don't have to learn them nescesarily from any ground fighting sytem, all systems of martial arts have them. The essence of fighting multiple oppents at one time is not grabbing on to any of them in a clinch cuz your going to get jacked by two other guys, taken down and stomped on. Any type of non grappling multiple oppent art that teaches lots of knife, stick, bat, and even gun defense. I'd say Krav Maga or Kempo would be best for a real SD situation. Rember watch your own back or put it against a wall and use your enviorment.

[Great Sage]

Actually, I've tried the T-shirt Choke before without any problems. The key is to grab more shirt... But anyway, back to the thread... Any grappling art that trains resistance is suitable for self-defense, but one should be wary of entangling with someone too long. As you all probably know, there are many dynamics in a fight, some being weapons, multiple attackers... Yeah, yeah, you've all heard it before, but I've actually been attacked by a bystander because he thought I was the "attacker."