what grappeling arts are the best for mma and self-defense

[BoarSpear]

...........i dont think you read what i wrote at all, i said i TRY to defend and found that only 20% of the time it works with MODERATE success.Like i said before id rather ESCAPE then get into a knife duel.

if your techniques only work 20% of the time under stress, you need lots of practice or the techniques you rely on are unrealistic. there are realistic knife defenses, however NONE of them are from MMA, thats been my point all along.

[JkD187]

i train defenses from krav maga..its not that im not good at them its just that at 100% resistance disarms are very hard to pull off....not at 40% speed then just assuming it will work at 100%...theres a huge difference there.If the point of all your posts were to say that mma dose not teach knife defenses then congrats your iq is unparalled by anyone .

[BoarSpear]

i train defenses from krav maga..its not that im not good at them its just that at 100% resistance disarms are very hard to pull off....not at 40% speed then just assuming it will work at 100%...theres a huge difference there.If the point of all your posts were to say that mma dose not teach knife defenses then congrats your iq is unparalled by anyone .

MMA people constantly act like they have all the skills anyone needs to win a fight outside the ring, some have gone so far to say they are better than special forces in a street fight. That whole mentallity is bullshit and an insult to all warriors. Many people dis SD people saying MMA is more realistic and better for the street...ALOT of SD people are EX SF etc who have had real world experience.

Ask yourself this...if you little sister called from a hijacked bus would you rather it was a bus load of MMA guys or Navy S.E.A.L.s? I think a busload of guys trained to kill and deal with life and death situations might do better in a fight with several knife weilding nuts than a busload of ufc "combat athletes"


or would you prefer the Gracies to Special forces?

[JkD187]

your fucking joking me right....the odds of that scenario are a billion to less then 1. wow that has to be one of the stupidest things ive ever heard.....obviously the seals are equiped for that you tart no one would ever say a ufc fighter over a seal in that scenario.....if you train civilians for this type of stuff then im sorry to have to say but you sir are a complete moron.

[Eyegouge]

you sir are a complete moron.

oh man that cracks me up.

[BoarSpear]

your fucking joking me right....the odds of that scenario are a billion to less then 1. wow that has to be one of the stupidest things ive ever heard.....obviously the seals are equiped for that you tart no one would ever say a ufc fighter over a seal in that scenario.....if you train civilians for this type of stuff then im sorry to have to say but you sir are a complete moron.

ah well then there are arts and ways to fight superior to the ring then? Yes the scenario is unlikely as hell...but i was making a point. many MMA people say differently, just read this forum. that is the only reason i even bother with these little debates...you guys cry when we say anything about your arts, but i only point out the bs you spread along the way thats marketing, not reality.

And for your edification, i dont teach too many civilians. less than 1 percent of my student base is civilian.

[JkD187]

whoever says mma has all the answers is pretty damn stupid...obviously in situations like that it calls for a highly trained pro soldier.The point im trying to make is that in a one on one....unarmed fight an mma fighter(hell even someone who trains his techniques against full resistance)will beat a guy in the street 99.9& of the time....obviously mma cant teach you to deal with knifes or guns...so i would recomend to anyone regardless of the art they study to take weapons classes(offensive/defensive) but those can onlt take you so far you must always keep in mind to run like crazy in those situations.I apologize for my civilians comment though,im not one to advocate or say mma is beter then anything....i do watch mma and love competing in it but the message i try to get across is that if you do not train your techniques against resistance then how do u kno if they will ever work? i just say mma alot bc every mma gym uses this training method.....you can make any art work using this training method with practice thats all im trying to say

[BoarSpear]

whoever says mma has all the answers is pretty damn stupid...obviously in situations like that it calls for a highly trained pro soldier.The point im trying to make is that in a one on one....unarmed fight an mma fighter(hell even someone who trains his techniques against full resistance)will beat a guy in the street 99.9& of the time....obviously mma cant teach you to deal with knifes or guns...so i would recomend to anyone regardless of the art they study to take weapons classes(offensive/defensive) but those can onlt take you so far you must always keep in mind to run like crazy in those situations.I apologize for my civilians comment though,im not one to advocate or say mma is beter then anything....i do watch mma and love competing in it but the message i try to get across is that if you do not train your techniques against resistance then how do u kno if they will ever work? i just say mma alot bc every mma gym uses this training method.....you can make any art work using this training method with practice thats all im trying to say

Every MMA school has resistance training thats its major benifit, and if you want average joe self defense its probably fine. Every TMA and self defense school needs to add resistance training to thier programs to find out what really works. I agree 100 percent that resistance and reality are missing from most TMA and SD classes. However not all all them are bad any more than every MMA school is great. If you add the ring savy of MMA and the toughness that the ring gives to a TMA/SD program that incorporates weapons and street smarts, you have a winner, thats the balance we try to achieve. Most MMA schools give a false sense of security about the street though thats my ONLY complaint.

[JkD187]

i agree with you on that my friend....no matter what you study it should include training against resitance and weapons.Who ever else says otherwise is dreaming or on sum serious ganja (which id like 2 get my hands on )

[bengaltiger]

Hello everybody, I registered just now. Went through the posts. Good one. I train in the traditional martial art of kalarippayattu. As you people say here resistance training and sparring are necessory. I was looking for a suitable training eauipment to devolp the grapplings skills and came across this site

https://www.abband.com

Do you people have any idea regarding the use of elastic bands in solo training drills for grappling? If some one has ever used the AB band please give me the details.
To learn more about the kalarippayattu that I am being training look at this site.

https://www.kalariworld.com

this one contains details regarding the history substyles and so on. Or search the web using the search term kalarippayattu or kalari

Thanks

[Great Sage]

MMA people constantly act like they have all the skills anyone needs to win a fight outside the ring

I haven’t heard very many MMA guys claim to be ultimate street fighters, but anyone can guess they will fare better than most people.

some have gone so far to say they are better than special forces in a street fight. That whole mentallity is bullshit and an insult to all warriors.

Actually, the insult began when “warriors” were trained in hypotheticals and not live resistance. I tend to believe that most MMA guys would tear a special forces guy apart in real fight. The logic is simple, MMA guys train and fight all the time; special forces guys train unarmed combat simulations, sometimes with live resistance, but most of their training is weapons.

Many people dis SD people saying MMA is more realistic and better for the street...ALOT of SD people are EX SF etc who have had real world experience.

MMA is more realistic as far as live resistance, the application and endurance of pain and some aspects of the psychology of fighting, but I doubt any MMA person would go as far as saying it’s the ultimate. I have to disagree with you, ALOT of SD and EX SF people have real world experience in tactical weapons training, simulation, and on very few occassions - unarmed combat. A soldier without his weapon is as good as dead. The FACT remains that while some of this is revelant in a street fight, some isn’t.

Ask yourself this...if you little sister called from a hijacked bus would you rather it was a bus load of MMA guys or Navy S.E.A.L.s? I think a busload of guys trained to kill and deal with life and death situations might do better in a fight with several knife weilding nuts than a busload of ufc "combat athletes" ... or would you prefer the Gracies to Special forces?

Irrelevant. In a hostage situation, negotiators and trained professionals are brought in. These professionals are not street fighters, they use guns and are very good at what they do... How this applies to a street fight, I’m not sure... But rest assured, NOBODY would be thinking of engaging an armed assailant in your scenario without a gun.

[BoarSpear]

I haven’t heard very many MMA guys claim to be ultimate street fighters, but anyone can guess they will fare better than most people.



Actually, the insult began when “warriors” were trained in hypotheticals and not live resistance. I tend to believe that most MMA guys would tear a special forces guy apart in real fight. The logic is simple, MMA guys train and fight all the time; special forces guys train unarmed combat simulations, sometimes with live resistance, but most of their training is weapons.



MMA is more realistic as far as live resistance, the application and endurance of pain and some aspects of the psychology of fighting, but I doubt any MMA person would go as far as saying it’s the ultimate. I have to disagree with you, ALOT of SD and EX SF people have real world experience in tactical weapons training, simulation, and on very few occassions - unarmed combat. A soldier without his weapon is as good as dead. The FACT remains that while some of this is revelant in a street fight, some isn’t.



Irrelevant. In a hostage situation, negotiators and trained professionals are brought in. These professionals are not street fighters, they use guns and are very good at what they do... How this applies to a street fight, I’m not sure... But rest assured, NOBODY would be thinking of engaging an armed assailant in your scenario without a gun.

You couldnt be more wrong. Ever here Of 9-11? which negotiators and trained professionals saved them? Who came to the rescue? EVERY damn security professional involved screwed up. EVERYONE involved DIED. BECAUSE NO ONE had taken the time to learn real SD and take responsibility for thier own safety..."Somebody save me" has become the american way of life. You can see it after Katrina as well, relying on others for your safety is pussy and the easy way out. You go ahead and believe MMA is superior to Special forces and that the calvary will come to your rescue

You have allowed marketing to overshadow common sense, It easy i imagine for the average joe who wants to be cool to believe he is better equipped to handle a fight than a special operations guy. After all you aint EVER gonna be one of them, but you can make MMA class a couple hours a week...you gotta have some shit to talk right? Yeah, I take MMA we can beat up those Green berets and shit, their a bunch of pussies without their guns

BTW... thanks for showing up to make my point, some people were trying to say No one was as brainwashed as you....obviously they were wrong.

btw whats more hypothetical, training to learn how to kill but not doing so since you would have to actually kill someone. Or learning to fight with rules and no weapons in a ring and thinking your better equipped to kill the other guy outside the ring with weapons? you arent any better trained for that environment than the SF guy is for the ring.

[JkD187]

Im surprised your not in jail boarspear.....the way you talk it seems that anyone who looks at you cross eyed gets shanked

[Eyegouge]

Im surprised your not in jail boarspear.....the way you talk it seems that anyone who looks at you cross eyed gets shanked

^^^ LMFAO!!!

[BoarSpear]

Im surprised your not in jail boarspear.....the way you talk it seems that anyone who looks at you cross eyed gets shanked

AWWW did i hurt your little comfort zone? gee Im so sorry

Where the hell did you get that? just because i dont think the things i did in the ring guarantee success in the street? sorry If I took the time to learn both, I didnt have any emotional or economic investment in one being superior to the other, so i studied both. Have you? Then perhaps i might be in a better place to comment on the training huh? I started out wresting, boxing and jjj over 30 years ago...i also added FMA and Silat etc...you have how much of this type training?
you seem pretty sure how warriors are trained...where did you get your info?