I have lots of options but...

[unclerico]

Hey all, first time poster on this board and I don't mean for it to sound like a flame or a "this has been answered a million times already" thread but I value other people's opinons on martial arts and I'm posting in here because I don't know which areat to post this.

A little bit about me:
- I'm not a very big guy, I stand 5'6" and weigh in at a little over 160 lbs
- I like to take a beating (have played ice hockey competitively for over 20 years)
- I have a brief history of training in Karate

The Karate training gave me a bad taste in my mouth because the only schools that teach it around here are large chains such as USA Karate, National Karate, and ATA Karate and it seems as though they want your money more than they want to train you to properly defend yourself.

I am not trying to go out and look for trouble, what I want is to be able to defend myself and my family at all costs so I guess I am looking for an art that will allow me to throw debilitating strikes/submissions that will end a confrontation quickly and teach the other person(s) a lesson.

I have the Minnesota Kali Group nearby (Rick Faye) that teaches JKD, Muay Thai, Kali, Boxing, and Silat; I also have the Minnesota Martial Arts Academy (Greg Nelson) nearby that teaches Muay Thai, JKD, and BJJ; last but not least I have No Rules Martial Arts (Chris McCune) which teaches maily Kung Fu San Soo.

I know that 99% of the people I will ever need to fight are going to be taller and heavier than me so I want to make the old adage "The bigger they are, the harder they fall" come true.

Things I would like to get from training:
- Real life training scenarios. Traditional karate (from my experience) is all about cooperative opponents and I want to train with people who will not only resist but also try and counter
- Renewed self confidence
- A good overall workout

I realize that when it comes to martial arts (like many other things) what is right for one is not necessarily right for all but I value any opinions that you might have. Thanks.

[aseepish]

Go with Rick Faye - he has an excellent reputation. I haven't heard of the other guys.

Check out this thread http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/s...ight=Rick+Faye

[gregimotis]

Khun Khru Greg Nelson is an exceptionally good thai boxer, has (I'm pretty sure) a BB in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, has considerable competitive fight experience, and is one of the Thai Boxing Association's senior instuctors. Additionally, he's a joy to learn from (in my quite limited experience).


I don't know much about Rick Faye, and nothing about the other guy, but it sounds like you've got at least two very good choices.

[Blue Wave Gym]

hey neighbor

Hey all, first time poster on this board and I don't mean for it to sound like a flame or a "this has been answered a million times already" thread but I value other people's opinons on martial arts and I'm posting in here because I don't know which areat to post this.

A little bit about me:
- I'm not a very big guy, I stand 5'6" and weigh in at a little over 160 lbs
- I like to take a beating (have played ice hockey competitively for over 20 years)
- I have a brief history of training in Karate

The Karate training gave me a bad taste in my mouth because the only schools that teach it around here are large chains such as USA Karate, National Karate, and ATA Karate and it seems as though they want your money more than they want to train you to properly defend yourself.

I am not trying to go out and look for trouble, what I want is to be able to defend myself and my family at all costs so I guess I am looking for an art that will allow me to throw debilitating strikes/submissions that will end a confrontation quickly and teach the other person(s) a lesson.

I have the Minnesota Kali Group nearby (Rick Faye) that teaches JKD, Muay Thai, Kali, Boxing, and Silat; I also have the Minnesota Martial Arts Academy (Greg Nelson) nearby that teaches Muay Thai, JKD, and BJJ; last but not least I have No Rules Martial Arts (Chris McCune) which teaches maily Kung Fu San Soo.

I know that 99% of the people I will ever need to fight are going to be taller and heavier than me so I want to make the old adage "The bigger they are, the harder they fall" come true.

Things I would like to get from training:
- Real life training scenarios. Traditional karate (from my experience) is all about cooperative opponents and I want to train with people who will not only resist but also try and counter
- Renewed self confidence
- A good overall workout

I realize that when it comes to martial arts (like many other things) what is right for one is not necessarily right for all but I value any opinions that you might have. Thanks.

I live in the same state as you and went to both usa and national karate LOL
Rick's school is good and minnesota ma academy is great(a frm tkd teacher/classsmate went there and never looked back) you also have bison grappeling and the warriors cove mma school as well as 2 good judo schools btw what city are you from?

[CKD]

Greg Nelson has taught many top nhb fighters and is well known for his teaching ability.

[Danno1018]

hey bro,

I think I can help you out here. I go pretty far back with USA, and National Karate, I was under both schools for a long time, I know what your saying about the bad taste...

I was under Rick Faye for a while before I moved to Los Angeles, I can assure you that you will not find finer instruction. A great teacher, helluva nice guy, as are his students. He was very helpful to my little sister and I when we were younger. He let my lil sis open her massage therapy business at his school, he was always very supportive of her training, and every time I come home from CA he has had an open door with tons of knowledge to share. Casual atmosphere, no contracts, and very affordable training. plus he has a good weight room that comes with your membership. Can't lose at MKG.

About Greg Nelson.. I met him last summer at the Inosanto Academy, and would definately suggest you look in to his place as well. Greg Nelson is a legend. A black belt in Brazilian Jiu jitsu, classes in FMA, JKD, etc. He also offers training in Erik Paulsons CSW system, which is exactly where you want to be, if you are in to cutting edge material. If I'm not mistaken, he offers MT boxing every day as well. Thats a tough package to beat anywhere. Maybe go there first. Tough call....

Start with that, and maybe you can get back to me and let me know? Shoot me a PM if you have any other questions and I can give you my number. Good luck!!!

[OmaPlata]

the other posts are fine, but also in BJJ you fight opponents every night for at least an hour in most schools, bigger guys, better guys, smaller, taller, everything.......you will be used to having 230lb guys to roll with, so when you fight one, it wont be a foriegn (spelling?)experience

[gregimotis]

the other posts are fine, but also in BJJ...

Dude, every topic is NOT a "BJJ roxxorz everything else in the world including your momma" thread. Are you sure you aren't really SherwinC except not kung fu?

[THT]

Dude, every topic is NOT a "BJJ roxxorz everything else in the world including your momma" thread. Are you sure you aren't really SherwinC except not kung fu?

lol Sherwinc...

[OmaPlata]

Dude, every topic is NOT a "BJJ roxxorz everything else in the world including your momma" thread. Are you sure you aren't really SherwinC except not kung fu?

yeah youre right, the guy asked what martial art is best for a small guy to defeat larger and stronger opponents, so i guess i wouldnt recommend BJJ since that was its ENTIRE REASON FOR BEING DEVELOPED, you fucking tard

[gregimotis]

He asked what he should pursue in order to be most able to win a streetfight and asked specifically about three schools near him - one owned by a very well respected MMA trainer, and one owned by an also well respected Kali/Silat player.
The thread is not debating the relative value of BJJ, it's debating the street value of different schools.

A couple days ago you were posting about how you could beat up Chuck Norris with BJJ - until you found out he maybe had some skills of his own, and not two hours later you were on about BJJ again, and here you are a third time with nothing new to add.



Statement too all BJJ'ers: Everybody knows BJJ is a solid art. It's proven itself plenty, it's got respect and many of us have or do train in it, but please; every conversation about martial arts does not start and end with BJJ.

[OmaPlata]

Here again tard, i will quote the original post: "I know that 99% of the people I will ever need to fight are going to be taller and heavier than me so I want to make the old adage "The bigger they are, the harder they fall" come true.

Things I would like to get from training:
- Real life training scenarios. Traditional karate (from my experience) is all about cooperative opponents and I want to train with people who will not only resist but also try and counter"

Why wouldnt someone suggest BJJ for the guy, for it gives him everything he asked for? Real life scenarios especailly. And where did I say I could take Norris? I said I wished the guy I knew was trained in BJJ so he coulda fucked Chuck up, and since this was around 1987, it would have been the case.
As far as BJJ goes, this thread is titled MMA and BBJ, moron. Without BJJ anyone in MMA gets owned for the most part, and BJJ guys absolutely destroy other martial art guys.Its ok to be jealous of it since your years of training in some other form were for nothing, when you saw the heros of your art get their asses handed to them by Royce, and you realized that flying chuck norris kicks dont really work in the real world lol

[Sensei Saki]

Oh there.Where did you hear that?And all about cooperative opponents and he or she want to train with people who will not only resist but also try and counterWhy would not someone suggest BJJ for the guy for it gives him everything he asked for is Traditional karate from his or her experience.

Try to determine if this is a person or a computer responding.I think it was in Asia.
Would you like to know more?
Why?:
said wished the guy you knew was trained in BJJ so he coulda fucked Chuck up and since this was around 1987 it would have been the case.That might not be very far off."Without your space helmet Dave, you're going to find that rather difficult" -- HAL.I think you mean "it's" or "it is" not "its". OK with me too. I'm glad you find this amusing.