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**BadgerFu57** · 07-17-2005, 10:18 PM

The quality of your Judo instruction and club would be a major factor.

As for the art itself, Judo has amazing standing throwing techniques. It has all of the chokes and arm-locks of jiu-jitsu, although some clubs focus more on newaza (groundwork) than others.

A few years in Judo is an excellent base for mixed-martial-arts, but remember, the quality varies between different instructors and clubs.

Judo is generally much cheaper than BJJ too.... some BJJ classes are RIDICOLOUSLY expensive.

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As far as competition goes, I know some Judo tournaments have novice divisions.

As far as when you can compete depends on a variety of factors: Athleticism, how often you train, how committed you are, how good your instruction is, how good your training partners are, etc.
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After 2 years (give or take some months) in Judo, you could benefit greatly from BJJ classes. BJJ has a different pace due to different sport rules, but the arts complement each other like peanut butter and jelly.

Muay Thai would be the bread to top it all off.

**Zapatista** · 07-17-2005, 10:35 PM

Thanks for your reply. That sounds good, doing BJJ after a certain amount of time of doign Judo. Should I keep on doing Judo too while do BJJ or just do it enough not to forget it? There is one problem though, not only cost now, for I'm a full time college student and a part time worker, but I'm planning on going to graduate school after I'm done with college (in 2 years), so my time will be limited. After I finish grad school is when I plan to implement Muay Thai into my workout. But depending on my time I'll definitly think of adding BJJ after a while of Judo.

**LoneHusky** · 07-17-2005, 10:43 PM

I'm planning on doing judo when I move. The college I'm going to has it for 30bucks a semester. I'm a little worried it won't give me the workout bjj has given me though.

**Zapatista** · 07-17-2005, 11:01 PM

I don't really know about the quality of a college but depending on what you're doing it for it could be a bad deal. From your post it seems like you're just doing it for a work out and not wanting to compete in it. I wouldn't think that a college would give you the right training for competing but I'm not too sure since I go to a community college and I know the program there is just for fun and not for serious martial artists.

**LoneHusky** · 07-17-2005, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by Zapatista

I don't really know about the quality of a college but depending on what you're doing it for it could be a bad deal. From your post it seems like you're just doing it for a work out and not wanting to compete in it. I wouldn't think that a college would give you the right training for competing but I'm not too sure since I go to a community college and I know the program there is just for fun and not for serious martial artists.

yeah I was looking at some of the pics the judo club took and it looks like they drink alot of saki and they say it's a great way to pic up chicks. I don't think they're very serious about it.

**LoneHusky** · 07-17-2005, 11:09 PM

I went to a CC aswell and I'd like to compete but I have to get alot better. I'm fairly new to BJJ and am basically a punching bag that can't even tie his gi right now but I know i'll get better with time.

**BadgerFu57** · 07-18-2005, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by Zapatista

Thanks for your reply. That sounds good, doing BJJ after a certain amount of time of doign Judo. Should I keep on doing Judo too while do BJJ or just do it enough not to forget it? There is one problem though, not only cost now, for I'm a full time college student and a part time worker, but I'm planning on going to graduate school after I'm done with college (in 2 years), so my time will be limited. After I finish grad school is when I plan to implement Muay Thai into my workout. But depending on my time I'll definitly think of adding BJJ after a while of Judo.

It's good to be goal oriented but don't look SO FAR into the future. Go check out the Judo club and workout there a few times, then let us know how it was.

Don't be upset if it starts off slow, you have to learn to walk before you run.

You'll probably spend a good deal of time learning breakfalls first (to protect you as you'll spend a lot of time getting thrown in Judo). Then there'll be uchikomi's and kuzushi practice (working on breaking your partners balance and setting up throws). Then the actual throw practice. Then randori.

Who is the instructor? What is his rank? How long has he been doing Judo? Does he have any competitive athletes? If so, how well have they done? Do any of them have experience with other martial arts?

Try to figure that stuff out.

**BadgerFu57** · 07-18-2005, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by LoneHusky

I'm planning on doing judo when I move. The college I'm going to has it for 30bucks a semester. I'm a little worried it won't give me the workout bjj has given me though.

If you are with good Judo guys it can be a TOUGH workout. I think the pace and muscles emphasized in BJJ and Judo are a little bit different too.

Since you are on the ground most of the time in BJJ, your legs don't really get the same workout as they do in Judo (other than hamstrings). I think Judo works the grip strength a lot more too. BJJ guys generally have one up on Judo guys though when it comes to hip flexibility.

Again these are just generalizations and will vary from athlete to athlete and club to club.

**EmptyneSs** · 07-18-2005, 02:37 AM

judo is one of the best martial arts there is.

**Zapatista** · 07-18-2005, 08:54 AM

BadgerFu57, what should I do about weightlifting? Should I lift weights a lot or should I just do it 2-3 times a week and do little weight and more reps?

**gregimotis** · 07-18-2005, 11:13 AM

Zap-
You sound like a guy who's really anxious to get going. All of badger's comments have been great, and I'm going to add something as a generality:

A lot of people come into my gym bursting with enthusiasim. They want to do everything all at once and have all kinds of plans. I'm all for that attitude, those guys add to everybody's excitment in the gym.
Here is what often happens though; In about four weeks of training, the repetitiveness of the training starts to grind. Especially if they're trying to do everything as fast as they can, the brain starts to get tired of coming to the gym all the time and they burn out. They take 'a few days' off, then they come back once or twice and disappear.

My advice to the world: Train as much as you like, but decide what your main goal is right now. For Zap, maybe that's Judo. If you want to do some weights also, that's great, but if you start to feel the drag coming on, give yourself a break on the weight program. Don't worry about BJJ - that's something for later - don't stress about what school and how long to stay.

Pour your power into Judo (if that's what you decide) and just do other stuff for fun. You'll last longer that way and in the end, there's time for everything.

**Zapatista** · 07-18-2005, 12:13 PM

gregimotis-
thanks for the advice. You're right that I'm anxious to get going but right now I'm focused on Judo. The weight lifting was to just get some strength as I haven't lifted in years and I'm not the strongest person (of course, if I'm not mistaken Judo doesn't require as much strength as something like wrestling) But ya, I went to a local martial arts place today to talk to them about their Judo and they don't do Judo alone, it's a mix of arts which include Aikido, Hapkido, Judo and something similar to Tae Kwon Doe which I forgot the name and then sparring and tai chi. I didn't get the normal amount of fees but the 1st month is $125. There's another place by me which offers Judo and it seems their more compitition oriented but I'm not sure yet as I haven't talked to them. But ya, thanks for all the advice.

**BadgerFu57** · 07-18-2005, 12:24 PM

The Judo alone club MIGHT be better, especially if it's competition oriented.
Usually when people mix arts it can mean they did each one for about 2 years and just made a hodge podge. Again, it can vary.

$125 a month is pretty expensive, but then again, I live in Oklahoma and everything is cheaper here.

Do the Judo first before you jump into weightlifting too much. The way many people lifts weights is not beneficial for martial arts. There are a million different theories on which way to lift for the best results, but for grappling, it's hard to go wrong with body weight exercises.

The ability to efficiently move your body with balance and coordination is key to success in martial arts. In grappling, you are relying less on brute strength and more on coordinated strength, being able to position your body advantageously to commit an offensive maneuver. The better you are able to move your body, the better you are going to be able to get in position for throws, sweeps, and armlocks.

Try a class out and get back to us!

**LongStaff** · 07-18-2005, 01:05 PM

I started competeing in less then six months after I started. Sadly there was no novice divison option for me. I'm about 6'4'' 400lbs in ok shape have good endurance, lots of strength, and will to continue to do better. I think Judo feel judo is a great step into the MMA circuit. It has all the ground work of BJJ, but works a whole lot more on throws. Its a great stepping stone into other arts as well, i.e.- the break falls, excercises, and basic fundamentals.

One of your last posts sturck me funny. You said that Judo is not a lot of strength as would be perhaps with wrestling. This is only part true. If you have great tech. you could win. But if you have great tach. and strength we will see you in 2008 in the Olympics. Judo is a lot of tech. and drills for getting it right. But a stronger oppenont if given the oppertunity to, will just lift straight off the ground, a fighter can't fight if he has no leverage in a non-striking art. Also, I went to Florida Atlantic University and we had a few wrestlers come in to play during practices and they couldn't handle a lot of what our judoka's were doing. Nothing aginst wrestlers they just can't handle the choking, standup throws, and the gi's.

Also one more hint for starting out, if you are out of shape get a puppy and start walking.

Jerry

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