So you think BJJ is effective for street self defense?

[Uke]

Tant01

Clearly you only SEE what you like. You know nothing about me.

I do not support your points at all "professor". The KOSEN style Judo practice by the Gracies' was developed to prevent being THROWN down. It is more suitable for women's SD or rape prevention than street fighting IMHO.

The techniques you see as submissions are basic limb destruction techniques that happen to be useful for disarming the blade Einstein. Don't tell me about knives!~


You have no IDEA who I am?


COOL! THAT'S JUST THE WAY I LIKE IT!!!


Stay safe!

So are you saying that you have credibility here, Tant01? Don't kid yourself, pal. I wouldn't care if you are the Lone Ranger's sidekick, you're just another guy posting here to me. The minute you started preaching about BJJ not having to go to the ground to be effective you showed your bias and what you refuse to see. Helio himself has stated that the guard is what gives the smaller man the advantage in his system. If going to the ground wasn't absolutely necessary, then why did Helio have to modify the techniques from judo in the first place? Why does every BJJ player go to the guard in nearly every bout you see a BJJ player in? I guess its because they're just giving us a show, right? Hmmm..

No one cares who you are. No one asked what you study. You're here purely to argue, and that's evident as you agree that BJJ isn't meant to for survival. You just put it another way by saying its better suited for rape prevention.
But no matter how you put it, the maxim that you'll fight like you've trained will always remain true, and BJJ players train for the ground and that's why they wind up there. Your speculation as to what they could do "if they really wanted to" means absolutely nothing.

And if you think you can disarm someone with a knife inside you're guard, go for it! Nothing is impossible, but BJJ players have a hard enough time getting an armbar these days without someone having a weapon. You can call it a limb destruction, a hyperextension or whatever you want to. So go ahead and take one for the team and give a guy a knife and put him in your guard.

PS It doesn't count if the guy you give the knife to is in a coma.

[IPON]

Royce tapped a sumo wrestler with about a 300 lb advantage. Not sure if the sumo fella had done his homework on jujitsu, but he came in with a definite strength and size advantage. Someone used to tossing 400-500 lb guys around has strength and leverage.

Hey Tom, thank for the info I didn't know about that fight. I guess I will have to retract my statment

[Sensei Saki]

You've got my full attention.
The Program E chat robot can follow many things, like our discussion about Tom thank for the info I did not know about that fight. Try being more or less specific.:-) I am very happy for you.

[mpossoff]

Isn't this thread about whether BJJ is effective for self defense?

It seems that the talks of winning with BJJ seem to be in a ring a more controlled situation.

When you're in the streets in not even close to being in a controlled environment.

In the ring BJJ can be effective.

So let's get back on track by discussing BJJ effectiveness or "non-effectiveness" in real combat or real self defense.

I've been in many REAL situations.

So let's get rolling and discuss BJJ's effectivess in REAL, I MEAN REAL combat, street defense.

Marc

[mpossoff]

Let's hear about real life situations and experiences about BJJ...

NOT in the ring or that UFC BS.

REAL stuff.

Marc

[Nutz]

Look, there is a time and place for everything. Anything that helps you defend yourself is a good thing, regardless of where the move employed comes from. As the saying goes, "a dumb technique isn't dumb if it works".

As for BJJ's effectiveness, I've seen it employed quite effectively in some scenarios because the situation called for it. In others the guy got stomped on by his opponents friends that showed up shortly after the engagement began. Such is life.

This thread smells more and more like "my art is better than yours". Why is that?

[jubaji]

I don't have any credibility here.

Finally, pUke starts making sense!

[Tant01]

Not really. He's misquoting something I posted... He's an invincible ninja warrior that can't be unbalanced by gravity or terrain...

[Tant01]

And now he's going on the "ignore" list with the OTHER bonehead(s)...

[Tom Yum]

The cut Vs thrust debate is silly, IMHO. all you need to do is look at nature, what do the the dangerous animals all kill with?........ The thrust Even the big cats rely on teeth to kill and the mighty eagle? or hawk? THE BEAK!! but this article on the praying mantis killing the humminbird proves it best http://www.birdwatchersdigest.com/si...irdwireJul2005

Boar, I've seen a wasp catch a fish (2" length) and slowly, but surely hover it into its nest and eat away. Amazing isn't it.

[BoarSpear]

Boar, I've seen a wasp catch a fish (2" length) and slowly, but surely hover it into its nest and eat away. Amazing isn't it.

yikes thats a wasp i dont wanna meet!! It is pretty amazing what mother nature comes up with. (just read some of the posts on here )

[Tant01]

Agreed!

Isn't this thread about whether BJJ is effective for self defense?

......

When you're in the streets in not even close to being in a controlled environment.

In the ring BJJ can be effective.

So let's get back on track by discussing BJJ effectiveness or "non-effectiveness" in real combat or real self defense.

I've been in many REAL situations.

So let's get rolling and discuss BJJ's effectivess in REAL, I MEAN REAL combat, street defense.

Marc

A T-shirt will work for choking if you get a bit of it with good deep grip. I don't know the name of the Brazilian/ Gracie version of the Kata Juji Jime. But it's not a Gi so be gentle or you'll rip it.

The standard RNC (Hadaka Jime) is a good tool too but I really like the locking techniques. Ever seen a big man drop to one knee and become compliant in a few short moments it takes him to realize he'll need surgery if you apply more torque? Just a little ol' wrist lock, right?

[SamuraiGuy]

haha... to whoever was cutting up Krav Maga... saying.. all that stuff about bashing in the face while the guy is on the ground and that, looks bad to on lookers... well.... the fact you advocate BJJ as the best for the ground cause it gives you control.. and you might not always have your "krav maga bashing skills" work... is pretty funny....

People who invented Krav Maga realized this... thats why about 90% of the Krav Maga ground work is bjj, who would have known!... not you cause you just bashed er without finding out anything about it...

point being... learn about what a style employs before arguing against it...

[BoarSpear]

People who invented Krav Maga realized this... thats why about 90% of the Krav Maga ground work is bjj, who would have known!... not you cause you just bashed er without finding out anything about it...

Thats news to me, Now i learned KM from the Isreali Defense Forces while on active duty there in 1982, so my memory may be rusty (and very few had heard of Gjj) but i seem to recall the creator of KM was a proponent of OTT wrestling not bjj. now certainly people have added to the teachings but that doesnt make those techniques KM.


Am i wrong?

[jubaji]

I've seen a wasp catch a fish (2" length) and slowly, but surely hover it into its nest and eat away. Amazing isn't it.

A wasp?! Holy crap! That is one bad-ass wasp! Where was it? I want to know to stay the F away from there!