So you think BJJ is effective for street self defense?

[Tant01]

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This topic was never about a recommendation. And just because I study VeeJitsu doesn't mean that anyone else should. However, I know that Ronson, Tant01 and jubaji will never come to any school with that attitude, because they know in person that their @sses will be held accountable instead of their posts. I have no need to tough talk any of you, as many of you are children and teenagers.

None of you, jubaji, Tant01, Ronson or cam427 have offered anything in this debate about the subject matter. So, I guess this is your opportunity to now act like fools. Type what you will, but unless you can do more than just type insults, you're just angry idiots who have banded together in hopes that you seem like someone agrees with you.

If you bother to check the forum out or at least investigate the members you so disrespect you might find out how pathetic you actually sound. V Jutsu is no more or less than composite system not unlike my own. Surely you're not suggesting I bring my karambits to NY for a demonstration of structuural cutting or deanimation techniques?

And I don't really like to bleed...Do you? Start thinking you know something and someone will come by to reveal your ignorance. Just keep trying.

[gong fu]

i agree BJJ will get you killed in a serious street fight if someone has a blade or multiple opponents never stay grounded, always keep on your feet, the street is not UFC, thats why UFC guys get fucked up on the street. if you want to train for real fighting and not a sport game, then dont choose any style wich concerntrates on getting grounded, or wears gloves, you dont have gloves and rules on the street, so dont train like you have rules or gloves, if your a sportsman then use a controlled fighting style or something, if you want to be a real fighter then train in a serious fighting style, IE Shaolin gung fu

[Memnoch1207]

if you want to train for real fighting and not a sport game, then dont choose any style wich concerntrates on getting grounded, or wears gloves

I disagree completely...boxing (which uses gloves) is just as effective on the street as it is in the ring. I'm sure Mike Brewer and any number of other boxers, including myself, would be willing to demonstrate this fact.

[jubaji]

are you fuckin' people for real?

if you want to be a real fighter then train in a serious fighting style, IE Shaolin gung fu

Yeah, that's it.......................

[Memnoch1207]

Yeah, that's it.......................

For Real...Shaolin Gung Fu is the l33t D3adl3y art of all arts!

[gong fu]

ok then gys go ahead and start grappling with people on the street and use your gloved styles for self defence i wont try to change your opinions, but the knife in your gut probably will, if you use gloves all the time when you train then when you fight on street without the gloves, if you dont do conditioning how will your knuckles fair against somes skull, im not saying boxing or BJJ are bad for self defence period, but i am saying if you only use punches ina fight you wont go far unless your lucky and always KO some1 every time with 1 hit wich i doubt many people can do 100% of the time on the street with weapons involved, something like shaolin gung fu, prepares you for real combat not simulated combat in a ring with rules if you disagree with what i say fair enough, but from what ive seen on the street, grappling and only punching like a boxer against armed multiple opponents is a bad mistake, but i box myself and i train in many forms of grappling, but dont think im gonna try getting some guy in a headlock then go for an arm bar in a street fight, im more likely to keep my distance at all times asess the situation, always keep on my toes and aware reacting to any move the opponent makes trying to focus on keeping myself out of harms way, rather than trying to go for chokeholds takedown and locks, if your locked up with a guy on the street, what is stopping him from sticking a blade into you, or having other concealed weapons ie blades on his shoes and kicking you to shit with razor blades while your trying to grapple him, now if you keep your distance he wont be able to stick you with anything unless its a bullet, dont get me wrong i grapple on street but only if its the last option and the guy has me in a hold but then i would rather poke his eye out or rip his balls off, or punch his throat, than grapple back like its some UFC game.

[jubaji]

Here we go again

then i would rather poke his eye out or rip his balls off, or punch his throat, than grapple back like its some UFC game.

How many eyes have you plucked out? How many balls ripped off? How many throats crushed? Its "I would do this or that" bullshit like this that makes people scoff at kung fu. You put on your silk jacket and play let's pretend with your buddies at the "Shaolin Temple" (you live in England, right? ) and then strut around (just when no one's looking) in a haze of self-delusion. You are a fuckin' cartoon.

[Sensei Saki]

RE: Here we go again

Normally I have one eye.Not as many as you might think.About one million.I think you mean "it's" or "it is" not "its". Should I know
I would do this or that bullshit like this that makes people scoff at kung fu is?No I do not put on your silk jacket and play let us pretend with your buddies at the Shaolin Temple you live in England. Do you?



I am always on the Web.
I do not understand.Thanks and you are a delightful person too.
Am I a fuckin' cartoon?
No.

[Memnoch1207]

There you go again, making assumptions....

Whoever said anyone only throws punches in a fight?
People kick, knee, elbow, punch, headbutt, etc....

Your "Gung Fu" seems to have you brainwashed.

[Ronson]

Gong Fu wrote,

"I agree BJJ will get you killed in a serious street fight if someone has a blade or multiple opponents never stay grounded, always keep on your feet, the street is not UFC, thats why UFC guys get fucked up on the street"

If you're referring to Lee Murray, go f_uck yourself. You assume that Murray was ground fighting when he got stabbed. The dude got mauled by multiple opponents and stabbed. ANYBODY in that situation would have ended up stuck.

Can you give me third-party evidence where one of you Shaolin guys beat off multiples and weapons? Remember, well documented evidence, not some "stories" from your dojo.

[gong fu]

err how about reference from my own life experiences, where yes i have crushed peoples balls in fights, no i havent "plucked" anyones eyeball from there socket who said pluck?, i have shoved fingers into peoples eyes, i have palm smashed someones neck i have choped someones neck, why would i speak from things ive seen on TV or "Dojo" stories when i have my own life as a reference, and how about the man who actually trained like a real warrior using traditional training like i said works previously for real situations, MAS OYAMA he was a real warrior who would tear your fucking UFC heroes heads right off there shoulders liek they were stick men, this guy killed 52 full grown bulls with his bare hands, he choped off most of there horns with a knife edge strike right through the thick ass horns, in your precious no holds bared tournys, he knocked out the guys with 1 single punch and was undefeated, now that is what i call a real fighter who uses simular training to the shaolin monks, lots of hand conditioning and traditional kata training, lots of basic training every day, he was a dedicated warrior who tore foes apart and he did not use modern training he was a traditional guy, now can any of you people tell me of any modern training fighter who has suppased that kind of strenth? the kind fo strenth and skill to defeat 52 raging bulls with your bare hands without dying? and slaying them all?

[IPON]

This thread has become coo-coo!!!

I can't only use punches becuase I'm a boxer

I can't only use throws becuase I a wrestler/judo ka

I can't go to the ground becuase I am a wrester/BJJ player

I can't kick becuase TSD/TKD


So what is the point I will just do nothing becuase everybody is conviced that absolutely nothing works.

Damn everybody is a VTG or martial technique-er so few martials artist very sad.

REF budo and bujutsu absorb and learn

[Memnoch1207]

You're brainwashed...and I smell a Troll.

[IPON]

You're brainwashed...and I smell a Troll.

If that statement is referring to me that is hardley the case (my apologies if not). I am tired of the circular arguments

[Memnoch1207]

If that statement is referring to me that is hardley the case (my apologies if not). I am tired of the circular arguments

I was referring to our confused, brainwashed, but apparently a true warrior, shoalin gung fu expert.