So you think BJJ is effective for street self defense?

[JkD187]

very true medic....i live in queens and live in a pretty bad neighborhood.....i have had only 2 street fights recently (had alot a few years ago) and have been jumped by 24 people (24 vs 4) that was not fun but i did manage to not get hurt thank god...i did manage to take out like 8 ppl and had the privlidge of being eye gouged (i have high tollerance for that and biting ) but yea other then those 2 occassions i have not been in a fight since. These were about a year ago,i think some people get caught up in the self defense thing....alot of people never even get into a streetfight or get attacked in their adult life and if they do it woulnt happen again the chances are a couple of million to 1.Hey u never kno though but to make it your most important reason to train seems to be a little bit shitty in my opinion.If u live in a really bad area of town or you job/lifestyle(mostly going to bars and getting drunk) then hey it best damn be your numero uno priority.Alot of people live in good areas and train self defense as a priority which is kinda dumb but to each his own i guess.

[jubaji]

funny how people make assumptions about others.

No one is assuming anything. You are proving yourself to be a clown.

[Tant01]

"Variables"?

It's an on going debate because realistically who wins in the street altercation is still more of a crap shoot than anyone here truly wants to believe. There are just way too many variables.

Like the little "gentleman's" pen knife. It's only got a 1 3/4 inch blade but that was enough to let out the intestines which entangled both men who eventually had to be transported to the trauma center together so the Doctors could untangle them!

[GQchris]

Whether or not BJJ is effective on the street is endlessly debatable, but one thing's for certain is that one solid punch landed on a person's nose or eye socket is going to make much more of an impression than trying to wrestle someone in a hold...

[jubaji]

Whether or not BJJ is effective on the street is endlessly debatable, but one thing's for certain is that one solid punch landed on a person's nose or eye socket is going to make much more of an impression than trying to wrestle someone in a hold...

Oh, I don't know about that. It really depends on who is doing what.

[Uke]

Here are the Top 10 facts about BJJ that have been brought to light:


10. you only fight grapplers.

9. you only fight people who are your own size, and if they're bigger they have much less skill and experience.

8. you have no weapon skills whatsoever.

7. you feel validated in pretending that BJJ covers everything because you have a flock of cheerleaders with you that say the same thing.

6. Even watching Rickson Gracie, Rigan Machado or Antonio Nogueira, you'll see that they all go to the guard, have little to no stand up skills and their striking is no where near proficient. And they are the cream of the crop in BJJ.

5. you refuse to admit that the guard is what enables smaller, weaker bjj men to defeat a larger, stronger man when all things are equal(skill). But all of your excuses have been "Most guys in the street have no grappling skills". How do you know that? Another example of how you and your cheerleading friends take the word of someone else for that instead of finding out for yourself.

4. you make pretend that multiple attackers are a myth. Most fights are NOT one on one in any city, and anyone who's been in a real fight knows that. So do the Gracies, and that's why they travel in groups of 15. All you'd have to do is watch "Gracie in Action" to see the truth.

3. as BoarSpear pointed out, BJJ comes directly from judo, a sport art that came from the TMA jujitsu, but all the lethal and dangerous techniques were removed by Kano. Maeda taught the Gracies judo, a sport art, but they supposedly made it street effective? Even though Helio was defeated by a man using sport judo? The Gracies seem to have documented EVERYTHING! They even taped Rickson's fight on the beach against Hugo Duarte! Yet there is not one shred of evidence that they have ever fought in a street fight against weapons or more than one guy. EVER. And even in that fight against Duarte, Rickson has 10 or more guys with him. Face it, the BJJ reputation was built off sport matches, otherwise they would have shown some street matches, or even just 1 in their documentaries.

Let me guess your response: The Gracies are brazilian ninjas and cannot show their TRUE skills to the world.

2. please explain to me how someone with no DISARMING experience at all is going to get an attacker with a knife against the wall if he's accosted at knife-point. You can't expect to improvise with no previous disarming training and live. You're going to get sliced and stabbed to death. And to say that street punks don't know how to use weapons is a idiotic remark. In the Phillipines, arnis is practiced by criminals everyday, and the crime there is outrageous. And even if you had a weapon, against another man who trains with a weapon you wouldn't have a chance.

*I'm sure the arnis/escrima/kali practitioners would be very interested to read a response to #2.

And the #1 fact that this thread brought to light is that NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY VICTORIES ON YOUR FEET. So you have no business talking about stand up skills.

After all this time, Matt Hughes proves what I've been saying all along: If you use BJJ as a primary art, it'll look alot like what Matt did to Royce. And that beating was in the ring. Imagine what it would have looked like if there was no ref, or no rules. Too bad something like this didn't happen sooner. It would have cleared up a whole lotta chit-chatter from the peanut gallery.

[SamuraiGuy]

After all this time, Matt Hughes proves what I've been saying all along: If you use BJJ as a primary art, it'll look alot like what Matt did to Royce. And that beating was in the ring. Imagine what it would have looked like if there was no ref, or no rules. Too bad something like this didn't happen sooner. It would have cleared up a whole lotta chit-chatter from the peanut gallery.

Your a douche, I will explain why.

I suppose you've never heard of a man named "Big Nog".... the second best fighter in the world... a man fighting in the semi-finals of the Pride Open Weight Grand Prix, a man who's beat good wrestlers (coleman), WORLD CLASS strikers (crocop) (ooh what happened to striking now), and everyone else who'se come his way, Bob Sapp, you name it.

Now your gonna go on about how Nog only wins those fights because its MMA, and not a real street fight, and that he would die because of the lava, broken bottles, knife wielding maniacs, stray bullets, and Combatives masters running around smoking any MMA guy there is. This is what makes you a douche, you will use MMA examples to back up your points, but when anyone just completely obliterates your point with logic, you'll go back to MMA sucks.

If your not gonna go on about how Nog wins his fights, your going to have to admit, that the 2nd best fighter in the world is a bjj guy, and he has only ever lost to most likely the best fighter ever, who is more well rounded than any one particular style.

Oh and another name, Paulo Filho, watch the middle weight grand prix sucker, BJJ up your bizatch.

Oh and btw,I wanted Hughes to win that fight against Royce, I'm just pissed you revived a dead thread that should never have been bumped up.

[kuk sool won]

Samurai is right, he is the second best fighter in the world, he has seen everyone fight, in every non western viewed tournament, he has calculated every match up, using his well of logic and statistics. Seems you guys think if they fight in Pride or UFC they are, by default the best fighters in the world. Plenty of K-1 complete stand-up fighters have competed in MMA and won comfortably against very good opponents, therefore, using the logic that seems to hang about these forums they must be the best ever. No matter what the RULES are it makes no difference, they are the best.

[Sagacious Lu]

Not only is this horse dead, it's carcass has been completely picked clean by the scavengers and now all that's left is a pile of bleached and crumbling bones. But hey, if you're having fun beating it don't let that stop you

[knifethrower]

Not only is this horse dead, it's carcass has been completely picked clean by the scavengers and now all that's left is a pile of bleached and crumbling bones.

NOOO!!!!!!! I saw it move!!!! Beat it more!!! DIE YOU FUCKING HORSE!!! DIE!!!!

[Sagacious Lu]

NOOO!!!!!!! I saw it move!!!! Beat it more!!! DIE YOU FUCKING HORSE!!! DIE!!!!

Ah shit, hold it down while I get my Louisville Slugger

[bOoRadley]

Maybe they don't care if it's effective in the street! My girlfriend takes Pilates and I doubt she ever considers whether or not it would assist her in a self defence situation...maybe BJJ is like Pilates...or Tennis

[Rickster]

UFC is a hyped craze.

But if you would read the rules, it has limited many particpants who are not grapplerss.

Fouls:
1. Butting with the head.
(Ive seen head butts by grapplers to weaken the opponent for easier submission.)

2. Eye gouging of any kind.
(Of course not. Limit another stand-up tactic)

3. Biting. (This would weaken the grappler)

4. Hair pulling.
(Ive seen hair pulling by grapplers to get a better hold over the opponent for easier submission.)

5. Fish hooking.
(????)

6. Groin attacks of any kind. (Ive seen this by grapplers to weaken the opponent for easier submission.)

7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent. (????)

8. Small joint manipulation.
Too easy to control a grappler. Grappler train for large joints)

9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head. (When a grappler bends forward for the shoot, his head, back, spine is exposed. Limiting a striker's ability to stop the grab)

10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
(Per #9)

11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
(If a striker could do this, a grappler cannot keep hold)

12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
(Ditto all above)

13. Grabbing the clavicle.
(Dittoall above)

14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent. (Grappler is the first to go on the ground. Cannot strike in this manner or the grappler would get beat.)

15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
(#14)

16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
(#14-15)

17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
(Many times when a grappler haas shoulders on mat and egs up and around a opponent's arm, the opponet has a straight kick to the kidney)

18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck. (Of course not-agrappler doesnt want to be wrestled)

19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
(No comment)

20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
(Yet a grappler can hold onto the slevvees and lapels?)

21. Spitting at an opponent.
(No comment)

22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
(Injury? Blood and arm locks not painful?)

23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.
(No commentary)

[jubaji]

UFC is a hyped craze.

But if you would read the rules, it has limited many particpants who are not grapplerss.

Fouls:
1. Butting with the head.
(Ive seen head butts by grapplers to weaken the opponent for easier submission.)

2. Eye gouging of any kind.
(Of course not. Limit another stand-up tactic)

3. Biting. (This would weaken the grappler)

4. Hair pulling.
(Ive seen hair pulling by grapplers to get a better hold over the opponent for easier submission.)

5. Fish hooking.
(????)

All that stuff would be a better advantage when used by a grappler than a striker.

[jubaji]

8. Small joint manipulation.
Too easy to control a grappler. )

That's just ridiculous.