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Id like to address one point and that point is this streetfighting vs "sport" fighting debate.Time and time again on this site i see "sport" fighters will get there ass handed to them in a streetfight.....they will get bit,eye gouged,stabbed,shot,maimed,jumped,fukced you name it and "sport" fighters will be on the reciving end of it.Why this assumption:RULES.......sports have rules the street has no rules so there for we will always win.Those rules are there because they are agreed on by bolth parties for protection.....these are men who train hard and bust their ass for hours a day for years on end day in and day out perfecting their skills to battle for honor....money....respect....to test the limits of their bodies and many other reasons.These men have dreams and goals in life that most will never achieve beacuse they sacrifice everything in order to realize that goal.This whole "sport" fighting will get you killed in the street arguement is a bunch of bs.This excuse is mostly used by "Traditional Martial Artists" who are to damn lazy to get off their ass and train hard and spar against an opponent who is uncooperative....instead they chose to do forms and one and two step sparring which is pulled off so "smothly" they think that they can pull the same moves off against a big pissed off man....ive got news for you you woulnt.Im not saying all TMA are like this but most are....hey to each his own weither he wants to practice silat or bjj or boxing or kung fu...karate you name it.For so called "street' self defense you have to train your style against an uncooperative opponent....IF YOU DONT DO THIS THEN HOW ARE YOU EVER GOING TO KNOW WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOSE NOT? All the people who bitch about "sports" fighters are just mad they will get their asses handed to them by a some what high level practicioner everytime...why? because we are combat athletes and you guys are just lazy pricks who talk to damn much.For all you TMA people who study it for reasons other then self defense or whose gym dose teach realistic self defense...more power to you...for those that still talk shit why dont u put your money where your mouth is and step up against a REAL Combat Athlete and see where your badd ass attitude gets you punks.
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Originally posted by JkD187
Wow!
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damn how i love your responses jubaji!!!!
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Originally posted by JkD187damn how i love your responses jubaji!!!!
I can't help it. I'm a bit verbose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Comment
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Good on ya...
Originally posted by JkD187
Thank You!
I've bled my share and then some... Artists and fighters are a breed apart. Not too many that are actually both.
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RE: Good on ya...
you are quite welcome.
Where did you get your bled my share and then some?
I have
a lofty goal.I think there might be a few exception.All of them?Who is the best robot?Comment
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Saki Sensei is the best robot...?Comment
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Only thing is a combat athlete may be no better prepared for a real life altercation than a TMA person.
Sorry you may be great in the ring, but that doesn't make you a pro at knife defense, or gun disarms, or group encounters. These are the realities of real situations that may occur when you are dealing in the real world.
While a combat athlete may have a very good chance compared to other martial artists it is important to realize that they may not be successful in real life. They may not have the mental toughness to kill, nor are they necessarily more equiped to deal in things outside their training.
Just like a boxer is out of their element in MMA and a grappler is out other their element in a boxing match. People who have not trained for the realities of self defense may find themselves out of their element when faced with a real life or death encounter. This applies equally to TCMA, TMA, MMA, JKD, TKD.
An over reliance on your stand up or ground skills could very well be what does you in when that knife suddenly appears or the other four people grab a weapon and join in.
If you first thought isn't escape in a real life or death situation you do not comprehend the situation.Comment
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excessive force you are correct in the fact that your first thought should be escape.....anyone with half a brain should know to get the hell outta there....there are times when you have to fight and you should only fight long enough to escape.....however i have to say one thing:combat athletics make a person mentally tough....weither it be fighting through an injury or just lifting weights or running while being completely exhausted....that requires mental toughness and if you have a certain amount of will power it will aid you in surviving a street conflict, to take your will to win a fight at all costs can easily be turned into a survive at all costs mentality as long as a person has a brain.In my opinion id rather have that kind of will on my side then learning a so called street self defense art that teaches me to be mentally ready to kill (how many of them actually really killed someone any way....NONE) Knife and gun self defense can be done and i train it all the time but id def try n run before all that because going for those disarms are a craps roll at best.....and as for a group attack RUN AS FAST AS YOUCAN......ive been jumped before and held my own till i was saved by the cops (i ran toawrd the police station after fighting like 8 ppl in a massive brawl) but anyway combat athletics or just training against a resisting opponent will beter prepare you then anything else. My post was targeting the haters who dont train like that and then talk shit about fighters.Thanx for the reply your thoughts are well appericiated.Comment
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I understand. Unforunately no training assures success, no attribute can gaurantee survival.
on a side note, I watched a thing last night on serial killers.
It was very interesting. None of them were particularly fit, and some were not even imposing people. Yet successfully killed people multiple times.
Dahmer, Gacy, The guy that Hanibal lecter was based on, BTK. How easy would it be to under estimate what you were dealing with if confronted with any of these people.
I agree mental toughness is an aspect of any altercation, however sometimes altercations end before mental toughness begins. A knife strike to the femoral artery or the carotid artery removes mental toughness from the equation.
Ordinary people have killed when under great stress and often at great disadvantage. While others have failed.
Threat recognition may also be a factor that determines how well one fairs in an encounter that is even more important than any training they may have.
Interesting thread but it's time for me to get to bed.Comment
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i agree with you 100 percent......the point of my post though was to get across the message of training against an uncooperative opponent by using whatever it is that you train....or else you will never know what works and what dose not."sports" fighters seem to get picked on alot on this form and some people think that mma training is a joke and this post was for those terds to read and for me to get that off my chest.I was refering to those mcdojo assholes who talk to much.On a side note i was watching the movie gacy last night what a gawd damn sicko! yep n im off to bed right bout now 2.Comment
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there is a distinction between martial artist, combat athlete, and combatives people.
Combat Athletes and Combatives people, in my knowledge and experience, do much better in a real "live" altercation than so-called "street fighters".
What the **** is a "street fighter" anyway? Some chump who likes to scrap?
Do you think some idiot throwing haymakers and windmilling in is going to do well against a trained fighter (not a martial artist in the white or black pajama sense, more like the trained boxer, grappler, mma, or muay thai sense.)
Somebody from a good, "reality based" thing may be able to do well...
but a combatives person (Kali, Sayoc Kali, Pekiti Tirsia, JKD & Inosanto blend Kali, and CSW type stuff mixed in with the sport arts like muay thai, boxing, and different types of grappling) will probably beat the so-called "street fighter" into pulp, and then turn them into a pretzel...or worse depending on the severity of the situation.
Good combatives people often also train as combat athletes. A good cross between those two schools of thought create really good, capable fighters for any scenario. Really good combatives systems also cover shooting, and improvised weapons. (i.e. pekiti tirsia)Comment
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Bottom line: If you don't practice realistically how you can expect to do well in a realistic situation?
Unless you've had a sparring partner giving you hell, yelling at you, intimidating you, beating on you and unless you've imagined that sparring situation as a real world situation, you won't know what to do when a real life situation does happen.
I try to do that once in a awhile in BJJ. Someone will want to start from standing up and I'll say to myself "ok this is a good chance to condition myself...forget that the person in front of you is your friend, pretend they are some asshole on the street or at a party who is talking shit to you and wants to hurt you in front of a bunch of your friends..." Then I go from there. I was surprised how nervous I got the first few times I did that. I felt just like I used to in bad real life situations. Slowly I'm getting better at supressing those feelings and replacing them with combat-oriented ones. "What should I be doing now? What is he doing? How can I set him up? What do I right afterwards if my attack is successful?"Comment
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Huh.
What makes you think I have had a sparring partner giving you hell yelling at you intimidating you beating on you and unless you have imagined that sparring situation as a real world situation you will not know what to do when a real life situation does happen?I'm not sure if I would like to try to do that once in a awhile in BJJ.
What's it like?Who?I will ask Tim Mousel to purge my memory log.Good reasoning. What do you do there?Where were you surprised how nervous I got the first few times I did that?What is that feeling like? Where were you like I used to in bad real life situations?Other people say they like vacuum cleaning robots, humanoid robots and chat robots.Right now?
Are you asking me for advice?Probably monitoring this conversation.You should download or buy my chat robot software.What would your friends say if you asked them?Comment
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I'm not staying completely on topic with this reply..but there is a JKD school out in Western CO. It is a huge school. It is actually inside a mall. Facility wise...it is one of the nicest schools I've ever seen. It is totally JKD. Meaning that they don't claim to teach karate and jkd or something..it is referred to as a JKD concepts school. I have been hanging around this school for the last 5 or 6 years because I have buddies that work there.
Combatively...this is THE sorriest, most pathetic group of skinny, pony-tailed momma's boys swinging sticks and knives around talking about mythical street fights and how bad ass they all are. I mean it is truly sad. THis is a legit school too...officially under Ron Balicki's MARS organization. These guys can bang a wing chun dimmy like no other...but can't box, kickbox or grapple...although they do get pretty crazy with the foam stick sparring.
It's absolutely ridiculous. I know alot of these guys that are full instructors from this school. They are some of the worst martial artists I've ever seen.
It may sound like I'm just another guy complaining and putting down other styles...but think about this...Full Instructors! Can't fight at all! And these guys are teaching people how to weild knives!!!! It's a sick and sad world of make believe.
I used to be a proud JKD guy...but these are the kinda guys I kept running into. I decided it was time to stop playing and start training and get on the mat.
Anyone else have these experiences?Comment
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