Q to wrestlers/judoka

[zhorner]

the gi is great for self defense. everyone on the street wears clothing if u havent noticed. most people u get in fights with on the street wont be wearing board shorts only and no shoes.

good one ding-dong...

have you ever felt a judo gi? they are much more durable than a t-shirt, or even a regular gi.

a t-shirt would rip/stretch/come off when yanked around...which leads me back to my point that gi training is unreliable for street applications.

but nice try mullet

[IPON]

the gi is great for self defense. everyone on the street wears clothing if u havent noticed. most people u get in fights with on the street wont be wearing board shorts only and no shoes.

I can't agree more!!! this is the problem when people confuse (and I mean no disrespect to you zhorner) reality and sport even combat sport. People seem to think grappling with a gi or the like is silly but like you say outside of the beach where are you going to fing topless shoe -less people. The gi prepares you for more reality. Obviously there are limitations in the type of material a person wears but with average clothing you can work most throws

[IPON]

good one ding-dong...

have you ever felt a judo gi? they are much more durable than a t-shirt, or even a regular gi.

a t-shirt would rip/stretch/come off when yanked around...which leads me back to my point that gi training is unreliable for street applications.

but nice try mullet

Again it depends on the material granted. But a shirt can proovide grip but you don't need the shirt to execute throws or chokes but you have a strong arsenal with them. Yes a judogi is thick becuase it is for repeated practice if you are defending yourself the shirt doesn't need to be that durable.

[zhorner]

thats fine, you are entitled to your own opinion.

i personally would rather train in greco-roman for throws and clinch work. i would just hate to try to pull of a throw and some idiots abercrombie shirt ripped and now all of the sudden he has my back...

now i understand you wont learn as many chokes and what not than you would in judo, but most of the time when you can choke someone you have the opportunity to punch/elbow them-which i prefer.

[IPON]

thats fine, you are entitled to your own opinion.

i personally would rather train in greco-roman for throws and clinch work. i would just hate to try to pull of a throw and some idiots abercrombie shirt ripped and now all of the sudden he has my back...

now i understand you wont learn as many chokes and what not than you would in judo, but most of the time when you can choke someone you have the opportunity to punch/elbow them-which i prefer.

no problems - we can agree to disagree (but I suspect our views are not that far apart as you think). I agree different philosophies are fine I am a grappler first but certaiunly know the value of punching (and certainly hate getting punched)

[EmptyneSs]

u dont need thick material. it may help, but u can easily choke someone out with just a regular t shirt. plus, people also wear coats, jackets,sweaters and more durable collared shirts. judo and ju jitsu teaches u how to manipulate your opponents clothing as well as your own to your advantage in addition to throws and techniques that work gi less.

[Sensei Saki]

Do you know any robots who need thick material? If I had thick material what would I do with it?Then again, it may not.Humans are not always infallible.
That is a very original thought.

[zhorner]

u dont need thick material. it may help, but u can easily choke someone out with just a regular t shirt. plus, people also wear coats, jackets,sweaters and more durable collared shirts. judo and ju jitsu teaches u how to manipulate your opponents clothing as well as your own to your advantage in addition to throws and techniques that work gi less.

okay...you have made your point and i understand what you are saying.

i would just rather have a standing arsenal built from greco-roman than from judo

[danfaggella]

lets settle down and state that some gi-stuff if alid and applicable in self-defence reality situations. We know that no-gi is a good base, because it covers everything, but knowing some basic gi stuff is a good idea if you train to defend yourself, I'm sure there are chokes/takedowns/techniques that can work on a jacket/t-shirt. Both is fine.

[JkD187]

I usted to train with a second degree judo blackbelt who also did greco for like 3 years....from what i understand judo without the gi is basically greco with a little less strength....more technique but yea i would rather have a little more greco then judo....greco for most situations but if the guy has a nice hoody on or a jacket id have to fight the urge to tosss him judo style .