Chin-na, worth my time?

[Eyegouge]

I've seen and studied more than a few chinese chin-na locks and stuff, i see them in some form or another from art to art. My main question is, would it be worth my time to study them further to advance my submissions arsenal in BBJ/MMA? Are they practical, simple, and tough enough to be apply'd in an MMA style fight? Can they be rolled out of easily that kinda stuff?

[vincechoo]

i get wrist locks in bjj quite frequently. none of the fancy chin-na stuff otherwise.

[medic06]

Most Chin-Na is executed from standing, but it's worth looking into.

[Eyegouge]

I've looked into it, I'm just wondering if it's worth extensive training in?

[medic06]

Some Chin-Na techniques can be applied very quickly and efficiency if you have proper positioning. Most of it is pretty simple and I've found it to be effective.

[Sagacious Lu]

One of the big reasons I chose the school/style that I did is that I wanted to learn about chin na. There are some standing arm-bars and take-downs that are extremely simple and practical. Some but not all techniques can be rolled out of. Some of the techniques are easy to understand, some of the ones I practice I know I have a long way to go before I'd be able to effectively use. Although many of the techniques could be useful in the ring some of the them I'm sure are illegal. All of it requires a lot of practice in order to use it realistically but if you have the patience chin na is a formidable weapon. IMHO it's some very cool stuff and worth anyone's while to take a closer look at.

[covaliufan]

I would never advise anyone to do Chin Na instead of bjj, judo, sambo, or wrestling, because from my understanding Chin Na teaches almost nothing in terms of positional dominance and control, as opposed to the true and righteous path of harmony we all know, "Position before submission."

However...since you say you already train bjj, you've already got grounding in that. I have no idea if you'd find the submissions taught in Chin Na useful, and if you're really interested in it, you might as well give it a try and tell us how it goes for you.

[BoarSpear]

I would never advise anyone to do Chin Na instead of bjj, judo, sambo, or wrestling, because from my understanding Chin Na teaches almost nothing in terms of positional dominance and control, as opposed to the true and righteous path of harmony we all know, "Position before submission."

However...since you say you already train bjj, you've already got grounding in that. I have no idea if you'd find the submissions taught in Chin Na useful, and if you're really interested in it, you might as well give it a try and tell us how it goes for you.

Chin Na is impossible to separate from the TCMA's...it can greatly benifit anyone who wants to improve their takedown abilities. Chin Na means sieze and control ...its a set of priciples that you wouldnt have bjj without....so dont be too sure it doesnt teach dominance and control.

[covaliufan]

It was my understanding that Chin Na is a large collection of mainly standing joint locks, with a great emphasis on wrist and small joint manipulation. If I'm wrong there, instead of telling me "not to be so sure," tell me what the real deal is. By "positional control" I mean an understanding of how to achieve, maintain, and escape postions like side mount, mount, guard, and taking the back. In an analogy Cakegirl might appreciate, in submission grappling submissions are the icing, while positional control is the cake. It seems to me that Chin Na is mainly icing, not too useful by itself.

[Tom Yum]

It was my understanding that Chin Na is a large collection of mainly standing joint locks, with a great emphasis on wrist and small joint manipulation. If I'm wrong there, instead of telling me "not to be so sure," tell me what the real deal is. By "positional control" I mean an understanding of how to achieve, maintain, and escape postions like side mount, mount, guard, and taking the back. In an analogy Cakegirl might appreciate, in submission grappling submissions are the icing, while positional control is the cake. It seems to me that Chin Na is mainly icing, not too useful by itself.

I've seen Chin na moves that looked identical to jiu jitsu.

[BoarSpear]

I've seen Chin na moves that looked identical to jiu jitsu.

Quite a few that fall in that catagory Especially stuff like GM Jays Small circle jujutsu and Mongolian wrestling for instance.

[Tom Yum]

Quite a few that fall in that catagory Especially stuff like GM Jays Small circle jujutsu and Mongolian wrestling for instance.

Chin na is a pre-cursor to most japanese styles of grappling. Most of the orginal karate styles were taken from studying under various Chinese masters, similar to how MMA was created from styles like muaythai, boxing and jiujitsu.

[BoarSpear]

It was my understanding that Chin Na is a large collection of mainly standing joint locks, with a great emphasis on wrist and small joint manipulation. If I'm wrong there, instead of telling me "not to be so sure," tell me what the real deal is. By "positional control" I mean an understanding of how to achieve, maintain, and escape postions like side mount, mount, guard, and taking the back. In an analogy Cakegirl might appreciate, in submission grappling submissions are the icing, while positional control is the cake. It seems to me that Chin Na is mainly icing, not too useful by itself.

Chin Na is one of the 3 major components of KF ....striking, locking, throwing. Chin na is the portion that deals with ways to sieze (grab) and control (subdue) people. True ALOT of it is finger and wrist locks...but they also control the lower body with a foot or leg and use the upper body to control yours for sweeps and throws...strangles and chokes all exist as do any other hold you can think of...Chin na is a set of pricinples, not techniques.

[Tom Yum]

Are there any noteworthy instructors of the system?

You and jubaji should team up and open up the Butt kicking academy of Chinese Martial Arts.

[BoarSpear]

Are there any noteworthy instructors of the system?

You and jubaji should team up and open up the Butt kicking academy of Chinese Martial Arts.

I would love to meet jubaji

I honestly dont consider it a system...the best public eye stuff is probably from Yang Jwing Ming (sp) he wrote several books that compile many of the recognized techniques into one place. comprehensive applications of Shaolin Chin na is a great start. If you already understand bjj or jjj it will be easy from the book.

Its CRITICAL to remember that chin na is one-3rd of things youre supposed to be doing not 100% of your attack.