traditional Ju Jutsu

[chris davis 200]

your thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2YcAlpFs1E&search=judo

regards
Chris

[Tant01]

Look around... Someone already tried to pass it off as "traditional Jujutsu" in the Japanese arts board.

You can fool the fans but not the players. It's Brazilian...

[Mr. Arieson]

Whatever it is, it's awesome!

[sapatiero]

I did Japanese JJ for 6 years before starting BJJ, and we did just about everything that was in that vid. I love BJJ and recognise its ground superiority, but it aint all new! Judo, Karate and Aikido all came from the original JJJ.

[crazyjoe380]

nice video..

[Tant01]

sapatiero; question for you...

I did Japanese JJ for 6 years before starting BJJ, and we did just about everything that was in that vid. I love BJJ and recognise its ground superiority, but it aint all new! Judo, Karate and Aikido all came from the original JJJ.

What style? Ryu? Did you study before BJJ?


Thanks.

[Safadao]

Love that leg lock take down as he is push the opponent backwards. Might have to try that ;-)

[sapatiero]

What style? Ryu? Did you study before BJJ?


Thanks.

It wasn´t one of the larger schools, like Goshin. Our Soke was Fumon Tanake (Kukishin Ryu BuJutsu), who came over from time to time with his daughter & demonstrated some great traditional stuff, especially with the Katana.

The school was part of the Tai Jutsu Kai organisation in the UK which tried to blend the traditional principles with some of the more modern ideas in groundfighting & self defense. Me & my training partner got to brown belt, but enjoyed the grappling more than anything else. Unfortunately, grappling was only about 10% of the traditional syllabus, and we soon realised that BJJ was far superior on the ground.

So, since then we´ve been focussing on BJJ, and are both currently in Barra, Rio training and loving it

[danfaggella]

Well, its nice to hear that someone is seeing the merits of modern training, it might be cool to check out a place like that. Even though I'm not a big fan of Kata and swords ect...

[Tant01]

Modern what?

Well, its nice to hear that someone is seeing the merits of modern training, ......

You mean Randori? ..........................

[danfaggella]

Modern training is Randori-based training. Traditional is generally kata-based. By randori I don't mean only throws, I mean free sparring, so that would include sparring in a savate gym, or rolling in a bjj gym, ect....

I think that self-defence techniques can be working into a sportive background, but many (dare i say MOST) sportive places don't include dirty tactics, and most traditional places that FOCUS on self-defence don't do live training with resisting opponents... IE Randori-type training.

[Tant01]

I still see Judo...

I speak spanish, and portugese is very similar when written (not spoken) so I was able to read the caption of the video. It is a tradional ju-jitsu style being practiced in brazil, not something being created in brazil, like GJJ. The video could just have easily been shot in North America. It just happens to be in Brazil, but is not connected to Gracie Ju-jitsu.

Call it whatever you like. Thanks for the proof read but it's still looks a lot like Judo to me.

[danfaggella]

It is like Judo, its like Judo BEFORE WWI. This branch probably puts more enphasis on traditional stuff (weapons, dirty attacks, kata) and less on attaining ippon. I think there is a difference although the two are obvously related.

[Tant01]

yes...

It is like Judo, its like Judo BEFORE WWI. This branch probably puts more enphasis on traditional stuff (weapons, dirty attacks, kata) and less on attaining ippon. I think there is a difference although the two are obvously related.

Good observation there Dan~man...


* almost exactly like the other Jiu-jitsu...

[Tant01]

Modern training is Randori-based training. Traditional is generally kata-based. By randori I don't mean only throws, I mean free sparring, so that would include sparring in a savate gym, or rolling in a bjj gym, ect....

I think that self-defence techniques can be working into a sportive background, but many (dare i say MOST) sportive places don't include dirty tactics, and most traditional places that FOCUS on self-defence don't do live training with resisting opponents... IE Randori-type training.

Quite true.

to be a bit more specific...

The exercise known as randori is one of the methods used to train students for mohojiai. Mohojiai is the free form application of (Dan Zan Ryu) Jujitsu techniques. Randori is a limited or rule bound form of mohojiai. The limits are imposed for safety and to achieve certain training objectives.

The spirit of the exercise, randori, can be found in the translation of the Japanese characters that make up its name according to Prof. Jenkins. Literally, Ran means chaos or random and dori means hold. Thus, we have chaotic holds, random holds, or the commonly English transliteration of free play. This is in contrast to katas or sets where the two participants have specific movements they must execute with each other at the proper time.

http://www.ajjf.org/article05.html

from The Kiai Echo - Summer 1996

The Kiai Echo is the newsletter of the American Judo and Jujitsu Federation, Inc., (AJJF), a non-profit educational organization that promotes Danzan Ryu Jujitsu, a classical Japanese martial art.


Historically we both know that traditional Jujutsu was 99% Kata

Judo made it "safe" to play, right?