Sambo analysis

[danfaggella]

Another Sambo thread, I know.

Thing is, I know the history and the rules and the assosiations and such, but I'm not sure about something.

I've heard that Sambo is very reliant on brute strenth and that many practicioners aren't very technical, just very powerful.

What do you think? Have you seen Sambo competitions, and if so, how does it differ in strenth reliance from Submission Grappling and Judo/Sport BJJ?

Gracias.

[Clooneytkd]

wel basically i think the reason is because you have to Manipulate the opponent into weaker defensive situations. The manipulation is where the tactics of sambo pretty much begin. you bassicaly do whats needed to win, and no more
Sudden, surprise attacks Suppresing the opponent's ability to attack and Harassing the hell out of him and wearing down his defenses. and also you can try and submit him, and if he makes any noises it can be a sign of a tap. no chokes also means you have to grab a leg and try and break it. so basically trying to throw someone on there ass side or back, force them out of the circle or tap them with no chokes can call for little technique at times. im sure most samboist try to either throw there opponent any way they can and do anything to win according to the rules just because in most casses strength wins

[danfaggella]

Why is this not the case with Judo/BJJ/Submission Grappling competition?

[OmaPlata]

We saw Oleg Taktarvor in the early UFCs getting owned by BJJ guys, it isnt as effective. In his fight with Tank Abbot, he ended up winning but at 3 times had the Triangle choke for the taking and didnt use it becuase he didnt know what it was. Sambo lacks the proper chokes and emphasizes leg locks. BJJ is technique. Sambo i think there is less attacks so brute stregnth plays a bigger part in controliong the opponent but who knows

[Tom Yum]

We saw Oleg Taktarvor in the early UFCs getting owned by BJJ guys, it isnt as effective. In his fight with Tank Abbot, he ended up winning but at 3 times had the Triangle choke for the taking and didnt use it becuase he didnt know what it was. Sambo lacks the proper chokes and emphasizes leg locks. BJJ is technique. Sambo i think there is less attacks so brute stregnth plays a bigger part in controliong the opponent but who knows.

Sambo's base is wrestling, right?

Atleast it seems that way. It seems more like a hybrid of free-style wrestling and traditional japanese jujitsu.

[danfaggella]

Yeah, it is based in a lot of Russian wrestling styles. I think wrestling is more strenth-oriented than grappling, and maybe Sambo is strenth-oriented because of its lineage and limited attacks

I was kinda thinking about taking it up, but I guess Judo fits me better.

[MrPoopy]

I used to have a couple sambo leg lock videos. It's not all brute strength. They actually have some pretty slick moves if you really sit down and watch.

[Club Kozak]

I would go far to say omoplata that Sambo has no technique like BJJ. Its a grappling combat system that has different emphasis. Chokes are learned with combat sambo, and many sport sambist do Judo too.

[medic06]

We saw Oleg Taktarvor in the early UFCs getting owned by BJJ guys, it isnt as effective. In his fight with Tank Abbot, he ended up winning but at 3 times had the Triangle choke for the taking and didnt use it becuase he didnt know what it was. Sambo lacks the proper chokes and emphasizes leg locks. BJJ is technique. Sambo i think there is less attacks so brute stregnth plays a bigger part in controliong the opponent but who knows

We saw the Gracies get owned by a Japanese professional wrestler, it isn't as effective.

[BoarSpear]

We saw the Gracies get owned by a Japanese professional wrestler, it isn't as effective.

Yeah Pro wrestling has definately proven itself superior to GJJ by GJJ's own standards

[danfaggella]

Good ol' Saku.

Thing is, Sakuraba practices Brazilian Jujutsu himself, though his style (from what I know) is geared in catch-wrestling, and is obviously fitten to no-gi NHB figthing.

Good point though. just because the guy lost to BJJ guys doesnt mean that his art (sambo) is less effective.

[SamuraiGuy]

Just to throw another samboist in there, fedor has owned nog a few times, and Nog is considered by many the best MMA guy who uses BJJ as his main style, not the best BJJ guy in MMA, make sure you understand what I'm writing.

With that said, Sambo draws alot from Judo, and they have some wicked throws, and so what if it relies on strength, if it gets the job done. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu may be ideal for a Helio Gracie type person, but a system which uses strength oriented technique, would be perfect for someone who is very strong.

Its just building on what they are already good at.

[Mikeb85]

We saw Oleg Taktarvor in the early UFCs getting owned by BJJ guys, it isnt as effective. In his fight with Tank Abbot, he ended up winning but at 3 times had the Triangle choke for the taking and didnt use it becuase he didnt know what it was. Sambo lacks the proper chokes and emphasizes leg locks. BJJ is technique. Sambo i think there is less attacks so brute stregnth plays a bigger part in controliong the opponent but who knows

Where did you get this information? I'm looking at Oleg Taktarov's professional fight record right now, and he's NEVER lost a professional MMA fight by submission, in the UFC or anywhere else. He's been knocked out a bunch (and lost some decisions), but never submitted. In the early UFC Taktarov was 4-1-1, all wins by submission, 1 loss by TKO (cut), and 1 draw.

Right now the UFC and PRIDE heavyweight champs are both Sambo fighters (Feder Emilianenko and Andrei Arlovski).

[Ahoym8e]

bjj players should spend some time learning Sambo. Good leglock training.

I think leg/footlocks will be the next big thing.

[danfaggella]

Hmm, yeah Oleg Taktarov hasn't been submitted aparently, I don't know if he ever was "owned" by BJJ guys. Do you mean owned as in, they had more wins than him on average, or something like that?

I don't know about leglocks being the next big thing, they are already important for those who use them, though they are a tricky buisness. I beleive the fundementals (strait armbar, rear naked, triangle) will remain the most common and popular, simply out of thier amazing versatility and practicallity.