diference between bjj and other jujitsu styles

[crabb man]

anybody know what the difference between bjj and other jujitsu styles is.

[jeff5]

To be very general, BJJ stresses ground work where as most traditonal JJJ schools do not. BJJ also stresses Randori (rolling, sparring, whatever you want to call it), which again, most tradional JJJ Ryu did/do not. Judo has a heavy emphasis on Randori, but it doesn't have the extensive ground work that BJJ has. There are many styles of tradional and modern jujitsu, so I'm being very general here.

[danfaggella]

^yep

Also, Brazilian Jujitsu teaches moves that are safe for randori, while a very many traditional jujutsu techniques involve very dangerous striking to areas like the eyes, groin, throat ect, as well as joint manipulations which are dangerous and are not trained with a partner to thier full extent because the moves are very dangerous.

[crabb man]

so in your opinion is traditional jujitsu as good as bjj, i ask this becourse i have found a jujitsu school that also does ground work lessons i like thee sound of this as ihave done bits of ground work in the past but want to really try to get to grips with it now.

[Shoot]

The above responses summarize it well. I’ll add this. Japanese Jujitsu (JJJ) comes from many different schools and styles. Judo (preWWII) was a consolidation of most major styles of JJJ. Judo, especially pre WWII was very developed in all areas of JJJ, including Throwing techniques, ground techniques, and even Atemi Waza, which is vital point striking. Judo later developed into more of a sport style after WWII for a myriad of reasons. However, BJJ grew out of Judo before this change occurred. BJJ is the evolution of Judo in sport fighting scenarios. Thus, BJJ developed a mean ground game and became known for it. Judo technically has everything BJJ does. In fact, the guard was well known to Judo players. However, there was a specific Judo response to the guard that could result in major bodily injury or even death (which I won’t discuss here), so it was not favored by Judo players and was seen more as a transitional position that was better than being mounted. Fortunately, there are Judo schools that are going back to the roots of Judo. So, in practice, yes BJJ is known for its ground game, but Judo has it all and in the right school you’ll be given it all. BJJ is spefically geared toward sport fighting. JJJ and PreWWII Judo was geared toward life or death combat. BJJ doesn't concern itself with killing techniques like Pre-WWII Judo did. Around WWII there was much talk about "Combat Judo" and the like. Judo was designed for real life or death combat, hence the development of throws where the Judo player remains standing and the adversary ends up on the ground. Putting your adversary on the ground while you remain standing is a very well known strategy in modern commando hand to hand combat (see generally Sambo). Whereas in western sport fighting western wrestling takedowns (also in Judo) make much sense because they're easier to learn and often easier to implement. However, in real life or death combat, diving at your opponent or going to the ground with him is usually unwise. So, you see the split in philosophy of Judo and BJJ.

The fundamental difference between BJJ and Judo for that matter and the traditional JJJ is randori (sparring). Traditional JJJ did not use randori because it used killing techniques. BJJ and Judo are use techniques that are less deadly or that can be controlled. Judo’s Atemi Waza (vital point striking that could kill or maim) were only taught to advanced students, and then in the traditional way of JJJ by Kata (forms). Many traditional JJJ will use rehearsal techniques too. For example, JJJ styles often have specific counters to specific common attacks such as “if someone grabs your wrist like this, you do this...” BJJ/Judo are more improvised and free flowing because of randori and also because BJJ/Judo are geared toward dueling and not necessarily self defense like many JJJ styles. So, BJJ/Judo have general techniques that can be employed against many attacks whereas JJJ styles often seen today may teach you 200 or more specific moves to specific attacks.

However, “Jujitsu” is almost a generic term because there are styles that stress Atemi Waza and resemble almost exactly Karate or Kempo and there are styles that stress certain throws that resemble Aikido etc...

[danfaggella]

This is the choice of traditional or modern, two seperate ways of dealing with the "Problem of the martial arts:" Unlike other sports and activities, not all techniques of real figthing can be utilized or applied on another person for demonstration because many of these techniques, unlike the techniques of other sports or activities, are deadly or can cause serious damage so an indevidual.

Traditional Approach (generalized of course): Train primarily in Kata, so that nobody will get hurt but the martial artist can still get the feel for the technique.

Modern Approach: (generalized of course): Remove such technique and free-spar (randori) under certain rules, so that techniques can actually be expereinced and used in real time, and the martial artist will know what a figth feels like.

Both approaches aim to functionalize the techniques of their respective arts through thier different methods, because ultimitely in order to aply a technique you must have a great ability to feel for the move and to be able to pull it off when it counts (functionalizing the technique).

[EmptyneSs]

In fact, the guard was well known to Judo players. However, there was a specific Judo response to the guard that could result in major bodily injury or even death (which I won’t discuss here),

can u discuss this? or at least pm me a respone?

[blitz]

In fact, the guard was well known to Judo players. However, there was a specific Judo response to the guard that could result in major bodily injury or even death (which I won’t discuss here),

Yes please elaborate a little, send me the PM too.

[MT&BJJ@noob]

PM to me too please!

[EmptyneSs]

its not the can opener is it ?

[BJJAndWrestling]

isn't punch in the balls

[medic06]

Daki Age ?????

[Tant01]

Do tell...

In fact, the guard was well known to Judo players. However, there was a specific Judo response to the guard that could result in major bodily injury or even death (which I won’t discuss here), so it was not favored by Judo players and was seen more as a transitional position that was better than being mounted........

Well, you seem to have everyone's attention with the big secret you won't discuss...

If you won't discuss it why mention it at all? If you won't discuss it at least tell us why you're so reluctant to...

Serious bodily injury or death, eh?

Add me to your list of requested private messages...

[OmaPlata]

anybody know what the difference between bjj and other jujitsu styles is.

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu has OWNED MMA for years, especially the early years of the UFC where it won almost every fight a BJJ fighter was in. The other Jiu Jitsu, well, not sure it has won any

[Shoot]

It's no big secret

Whomever said "Daki Age" wins the prize.

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