diference between bjj and other jujitsu styles

[EmptyneSs]

ah, so it was the slam.

[EmptyneSs]

check out this page.

these techniques can all be very lethal, so dont go and try em on people after looking at this page. this means you dan fagella, dont go to prison for manslaughter because you crushed some kids neck in your backyard after looking at this site.

the site even says : "Because these techniques can be very dangerous they are banned from use in Judo tournaments and free practice (randori) sessions. Do not attempt these techniques outside of class, or even in a Judo class unless supervised and approved by a qualified instructor."

http://www.judoinfo.com/kubiwaza.htm

it shows the "can opener" neck break from inside the guard as well as a few other ways of dislocating the neck.

[danfaggella]

Omo, I don't think its right to denounce other styles of Jujutsu, which are not sportive styles, hence, thier practicioners don't compete in many NHB events. Beleive it or not, there are joint manipulations where you don't have to wrap up the opponent and ask them if they want to tap. This is not sportive, and it is not intrinsically better than BJJ either. Depends on what you want out of martial arts.

[Tant01]

Tap tap tap...

Omo, I don't think its right to denounce other styles of Jujutsu, which are not sportive styles, hence, thier practicioners don't compete in many NHB events. Beleive it or not, there are joint manipulations where you don't have to wrap up the opponent and ask them if they want to tap. This is not sportive, and it is not intrinsically better than BJJ either. Depends on what you want out of martial arts.

Quite right. The difference between a destruction and submission is speed of execution and a few more pounds of torque...

In some silat styles (for example) that practice the grappling techniques tapping your opponent means the opposite of submission like pour it on harder, "I can take more".... To teach the needed force to destroy a joint. submission becomes verbal tapout like saying "Uncle" but tapping means harder...

[BoarSpear]

Quite right. The difference between a destruction and submission is speed of execution and a few more pounds of torque...

In some silat styles (for example) that practice the grappling techniques tapping your opponent means the opposite of submission like pour it on harder, "I can take more".... To teach the needed force to destroy a joint. submission becomes verbal tapout like saying "Uncle" but tapping means harder...

hehehehe yep we "tap" on the person applying the hold...as long as i can "tap" im in the fight...we tap until we cant, only then have you controlled the opponent...those taps mean we are in control of our nervous system, not you, and we can still fight...once the technique is correct and real danger is involved you submit, (pain isnt always an indicator as some techneques have done their damage by the time you can tap) (heel hooks) then you congratulate the person applying the technique on a fine demonstration of the proper principles of kicking your ass

[danfaggella]

Don't get me wrong I love Brazilian Jujutsu and sport grappling has become my base in the martial arts, both because of its easy of practice (two people.... no equipment no nothing, just a carpeted floor, or some grass) and my love of takedowns and grappling technique. However, I want to branch out into other grappling arts, (in addition to the Kung Fu and Muay Thai) because:

1) BJJ and the entire NHB/"MMA" scene is becomeing more of a commercialized white trash festival every day. There are great people in this category, people I respect a lot, but it seems that more "badass" morons are getting into this stuff all the time, and I feel the need to differ from these "MMA scene" guys, who watch UFC and want to learn to hurt people, I want to eventually be an actual martial artist, not just a fighter or punk. You know, self-perfection, conflict avoidence, lifetime detication, everything else in the martial way that effects someones life.

2) I want to learn some new stuff, stuff I will be able to work into my BJJ, or use in different situations than most of my BJJ applies. I want to get more into Greco, Chin Na, Traditional Jujutsu, ANYTHING, and just work it all in and functionalize as much as I physically can!

[MT&BJJ@noob]

Slam? you could do that if your opponent don't know how to open his guard.

[medic06]

you can still do it if you know how. . . .

[blitz]

1) BJJ and the entire NHB/"MMA" scene is becomeing more of a commercialized white trash festival every day. There are great people in this category, people I respect a lot, but it seems that more "badass" morons are getting into this stuff all the time, and I feel the need to differ from these "MMA scene" guys, who watch UFC and want to learn to hurt people,

Oh my ... Not again.

[Shoot]

Mma

[QUOTE=danfaggella]However, I want to branch out into other grappling arts, (in addition to the Kung Fu and Muay Thai) because:

1) BJJ and the entire NHB/"MMA" scene is becomeing more of a commercialized white trash festival every day. There are great people in this category, people I respect a lot, but it seems that more "badass" morons are getting into this stuff all the time, and I feel the need to differ from these "MMA scene" guys, who watch UFC and want to learn to hurt people, I want to eventually be an actual martial artist, not just a fighter or punk. You know, self-perfection, conflict avoidence, lifetime detication, everything else in the martial way that effects someones life.

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I know exactly what you mean. "BJJ" is a huge part of my MMA training. However, I have many criticisms for BJJ. BJJ lacks an organized curriculum and system for promotion. I think it is merely Judo with strikes and without the fantastic curriculum. I only use "BJJ" because there is not a Judo school where I live. Otherwise, I would take Judo as I think it is the most complete, "pure" and organized grappling system.

I'm even going to start a traditional martial art. Frankly, I'm sick of the MMA world. I started training in MMA in the mid 1990s when it was brand new to Americans. I'm shocked by what it has evolved into. It reminds me of pro-wrestling or tractor pull contests. Humility is lacking.

I can't deny that MMA and BJJ in particular are effective. However, even with all the investment of time, money, and energy I've put into MMA/BJJ I would encourage traditional martial arts that have realistic application. I would recommend Judo or some traditional Jujitsu schools. You just can't beat the philosophy and organized system of advancement in traditional MA. And, if the system is true to its martial roots, it will be effective.

[danfaggella]

Exactly what I'm thinkin'. As I stated earlier I LOVE Brazilian Jujitsu, I LOVE it. However, the MMA scene is going down hill in my oppinion. I started traditional martial arts to have more perspective, to be better rounded in martial arts, and to escape this MMA scene.

I don't like some things about the TMA thing, some of the footwork, some of the complicated sequences of blocks and attacks, and especially the forms. However, its w hole different group of guys and I think my TMA teacher is more of a martial artist than my MMA teacher. This is not true at all times obviously, but MMA guys tend to just let anyone in the doors and teach them whatever, plus my MMA instructor is still in his 30's and he parties and swears and smokes pot ect... and though he doesn't usually bring it up, we all know it, hes not what I want to be as a teacher, but otherwise he is very versed in what he teaches and he teaches very well, and he enjoys everyone's company, partially because its more for his ballbusting, which is holarious.

Anyways, I'm all about Modern training versus Traditional training, and I'm all about sportive, non-hypothetical technique and principles, but there is a lot of good that can come from TMA and being a martial artist and not just a fighter. These are martial arts, we should still be instilling values in students and holding down a respectible, dignified establishment.

[EmptyneSs]

Exactly what I'm thinkin'. As I stated earlier I LOVE Brazilian Jujitsu, I LOVE it. However, the MMA scene is going down hill in my oppinion. I started traditional martial arts to have more perspective, to be better rounded in martial arts, and to escape this MMA scene.

I don't like some things about the TMA thing, some of the footwork, some of the complicated sequences of blocks and attacks, and especially the forms. However, its w hole different group of guys and I think my TMA teacher is more of a martial artist than my MMA teacher. This is not true at all times obviously, but MMA guys tend to just let anyone in the doors and teach them whatever, plus my MMA instructor is still in his 30's and he parties and swears and smokes pot ect... and though he doesn't usually bring it up, we all know it, hes not what I want to be as a teacher, but otherwise he is very versed in what he teaches and he teaches very well, and he enjoys everyone's company, partially because its more for his ballbusting, which is holarious.

Anyways, I'm all about Modern training versus Traditional training, and I'm all about sportive, non-hypothetical technique and principles, but there is a lot of good that can come from TMA and being a martial artist and not just a fighter. These are martial arts, we should still be instilling values in students and holding down a respectible, dignified establishment.

*yawn*.......

[danfaggella]

Its only my perspective, some people could care less about martial values and stuff, and thats fine by me, but I concern myself with these things, and if I ever teach I hope to instill values and hold down a respectible establishment.

[jubaji]

dumb kid

plus my MMA instructor is still in his 30's and he parties and swears and smokes pot ect... and though he doesn't usually bring it up, we all know it, hes not what I want to be as a teacher, but otherwise he is very versed in what he teaches and he teaches very well, and he enjoys everyone's company, .

Then what the fVck do you care if he "parties and swears and smokes pot ect"?

[BoarSpear]

Then what the fVck do you care if he "parties and swears and smokes pot ect"?

Perhaps you were hoping your teacher was going to be a Mr Miyagi? Hollywood