Hapkido vs BJJ

[Motion]

I have a different take on how some of these arts should be judged. I think arts like Karate,kung fu and Hapkido's effectivness should be determined more by how well an expert in these arts can handle street fighters more so than trained fighters from other arts. Because more than likely you will have to defend yourself or fight an non-martial arts trained attacker in real life. Most people aren't going to get attacked by a mugger who's a 5th degree black belt in Karate or Jujitsu.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

I have a different take on how some of these arts should be judged. I think arts like Karate,kung fu and Hapkido's effectivness should be determined more by how well an expert in these arts can handle street fighters more so than trained fighters from other arts. Because more than likely you will have to defend yourself or fight an non-martial arts trained attacker in real life. Most people aren't going to get attacked by a mugger who's a 5th degree black belt in Karate or Jujitsu.

Interesting idea, traditional arts and other SD arts handle attackers on the street(assuming the attacker(s) is not trained) well, but sportative MA(like mma) handle opponents in a ring(or octagon) and sometimes on the street well too(assuming the conditions are right). Is better for a practicioner of a TMA and/or SD art to have experiance in a SMA(sportative ma), rather than a practicioner in a SMA(mma most likely) to have experiance in a TMA and/or a SD art?

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

This clearly wasn't Combat Hapkido!

What do exactly mean by that? But if it wasnt CHKD, then why were they accepting a challenge from a Gracie ?

[Kungfoolery]

"and the hapkido practioner goes for my groin..."

Got to love Rorion!

[BJJAndWrestling]

"and the hapkido practioner goes for my groin..."

Got to love Rorion!

No in desperation he even tries to satisfy me!

[medic06]

I have a different take on how some of these arts should be judged. I think arts like Karate,kung fu and Hapkido's effectivness should be determined more by how well an expert in these arts can handle street fighters more so than trained fighters from other arts. Because more than likely you will have to defend yourself or fight an non-martial arts trained attacker in real life. Most people aren't going to get attacked by a mugger who's a 5th degree black belt in Karate or Jujitsu.

This poor guy would be destroyed on the street by anyone with a little skill.

[Kungfoolery]

No in desperation he even tries to satisfy me!

Cruel man cruel.

[Mephariel]

This poor guy would be destroyed on the street by anyone with a little skill.

Regardless of whether or not that is true, I do agree with him. When you get attack on the streets, most likely you are not going to be fighting a black belt Brazilian Jujitsu martial artist. That doesn't mean that groundfighting isn't important. It is. One of these days, you are going to go down to the ground. And you are going to lose confidence if you can't fight that way. However, I don't think pitting art against art is a good way to judge effectiveness. I mean, Muay Thai beats the crap out of a lot of things in the ring. But in the streets, many arts can be effective, including Muay Thai.

[Cheesalicious]

Is there a DVD from which these video clips come from?

[CoHarmony]

Hapkido vs BJJ???

This topic might be a little stale by now, but it's new to me.

Recently a jujutsu practitioner who happens to be something
of an ill-aquaintance, upon hearing that I had enrolled in Hapkido,
laughed at the art. He laughed at me.
A mutual friend of ours said he laughed as he watched the Rorion
fight, he thinks so little of Hapkido.

I took it upon myself to investigate this, wondering if I should be worried?
Well, here it is then. I study Hapkido and am only a white belt, but from
what I've seen of my instructors they would never fall for a lunge attack.

That is not to say that is in ineffective, but that there is a sidestep,
knee, or simple kick waiting at the end of that lunge. Before I found Hakpido
and would fight it usually ended in someone grabing and tugging, then one day I got stung in the chin in the midst of a lunge and haven't done so since.
That's been 4 years now.

But the true point of this is I'm wondering if Jujutsu, rather GJJ, would be effective not only against Hapkido, but also TKD and Judo. For in my school the three arts are inseparable and are studied as if they are one entity.
There are strikes, pressure points, grappling techniques, and throws.
Usually every manuever ends with someone on the ground, as the throws never unlock hands. The Hapkido student always follows through and keeps his grip so he can extend an elbow and crack it with the weight of his knee or some other move while his opponent is on the ground.

I've never had anyone sit on my chest, not since gradeschool fisticuffs, and no I don't think I'd react kindly to it, but it doesn't seem as "street" effective to me. Wouldn't a lunge make it easier to fight your opponent as he first makes the effort of breaking his guard to lung at you with his body weight, his center of gravity changes, making it open to exploitation then ontop of that there's a moment of person to person contact, where if he doesn't drop you immediatley there's a focus of struggle. In that position I would assume one could easily make a tide turning strike, then maneuver into a lock or throw.

If Judo helps to cancel the string of GJJ in combination with TKD and Hapkido, would someone need to be worried then? Would the fight have ended differently?
My school is based around the principles of street fighting, there are no forms to follow, no katas, only physical muscle memory or strikes, throws, and other moves. Some acrobatic, some as simple as breaking a wrist or a set of fingers.

- I don't know if I've rambled. If so I'm sorry. I don't want to build up Hapkido or tear down GJJ, I just want to know where one might presume a Hapkdio practitioner such as myself stands, and if everyone truly believes Hapkido to be inferior.

Thank you.
Coordinated Harmony.

P.S.

My Jujutsu friend also has a strong dislike for Korean Martial Arts,
would anyone have any insight into this?

[jubaji]

from what I've seen of my instructors they would never fall for a lunge attack.

A what?

[CoHarmony]

Reply HKD

I'm sorry, maybe I said something wrong?

I mean, when someone lunges their body forward, to grapple you,
or wrap hands around your waste, or force their weight against
yours.

Perhaps I mispoke. A dash towards the center of the body.

Maybe I'm incorrect.
I just want to know if Judo is equivalent to Jujutsu, I wouldn't
want to be left in the dark due to the unforseen.

Thankyou
Coordinated Harmony

[Motion]

Maybe I'm incorrect.
I just want to know if Judo is equivalent to Jujutsu

It's been pointed out that Gracie Jujitsu is actually the Kosen Judo style and not really jujitsu. Maeda was a Kosen Judo stylist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosen_judo

[CoHarmony]

Kosen Judo

Well that just spectacular.

It looks like all the bases are covered.
So with ground work, standing grappling, throws, strikes
and pressure point all in a weekly routine, BJJ has no
obvious advantages. Then it's left to the artist to decide
where the fight is going, rather than the art ending at a
ground finish.

Thanks alot. And sorry for sounding like a total newbie
on the subject...I kind of am.

- Coordinated Harmony

[MHack]

So what, what the big deal? I dont think those non BJJ dudes had much live grappling or fighting experiance at all! Those Hapkido guys werent even close to defending themselves getting taken down. I thought Hapkido or what ever was only for defense, never for comp. or attack? To tell you the truth, a 215 pound(weight class) college wrestler would have put a decent struggle against Rorian because those "matches" or "fights" were very conrtrolled and sportlike. Alot of MA in sport comp. dont work as well as they do with no rules at all.

WHY did Gracies consistently turn matches down against Master kieth Maza several years ago? I believe if one is more skilled at their respective art, they can win. Just as Gracie closed the gap with the Hapkido Guy ACTUAL REAL TRADITIONAL WING CHUN Does the Same! They Close The Gap! Jiu Jitsu Al, as we call him, is a 30+ year JJ veteran w/many styles of Jiu Jitsu under his belt. He went up against Master Maza and became his Student! HE WILL TELL YOU HIMSELF & THIS GUY IS AWESOME AT WHAT HE DOES! Most tournaments do not allow spine strikes, too dangerous; however, this, along w/other similar techniques are used to disable someone trying to perform a take-down; other tech. are used when the spine isn't so exposed.