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  • #16
    Pushing out of it and starting over striking is a fine MMA strategy...

    For grappling, your gonna need a good gaurd game unless you have Amazing standup (grappling).

    With that said you said this:

    "Triangle chokes, arm triangle chokes, and guillotine chokes are often safe bets to try. But to execute locks on limbs you really risk getting passed, so you better be right on to execute it. "

    A triangle attempt is more likely to get you stacked and passed I would think, they simply need to pull their head out when your trying to lock your legs... easier said than done, but if they have a bit of foresight... I guess its personal preference.

    With the armlocks from gaurd, one of my favorite techniques BTW, it shouldnt be too risky as you should have them so fucked up (off balance, arms caught, head pushed back), by the time your ready to throw your leg over... it shouldnt be that big of a risk....

    I'm not sure, also sweeps, speaking from a MMA perspective they can be hard to get but in grappling they are invaluable and are often neglected by less skilled people...

    You said you do BJJ, so play the top of the gaurd for one class, see how many times the whitebelts ATTEMPT sweeps (they may not get them off), and see how many times you get swept by purples.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Shoot
      Niche said “God is dead.” Do any of you say, “guard is dead”? What I mean is that it’s not looking too good in MMA anymore. I’d like YOU’RE thoughts, yes YOU in particular. It seems like people, such as Tito Ortiz, bust through the guard with strikes like it’s hardly there. Submissions are down. Yes, I realize you have to know positions, reversals, and escapes, but do you think the guard has lost some effectiveness (if so, how)?

      NIETZSCHE WROTE GOD IS DEAD AS A PROCLAMATION THAT BELIEF IN THE CHRISTAIN GOD HAS CEASED TO BE BELIEVEABLE, HE WASNT SAYING THAT A GOD HAD ACTUALLY LIVED AND NOW DIED. ONE MISREAD WRITER, HE HAS MORE TO SAY THAN THE ANTHOLOGY OF WESTERN PHILOSOPHERS COMBINED. AS NIETZSCHE SAYS, SHAKESPEARE WOULD CHOKE ON THE AIR OF THE HEIGHTS OF 'THUS SPAKE ZARATHUSTRA'.
      i DONT SEE THE GUARD AS DEAD AT ALL, I SEE PLENTY OF SUBMISSIONS FROM THE GUARD STILL, EVEN NICK DIAZ STILL USES IT EFFECTIVLEY AND LAST WEEK ON ULTIMATE FIGHTER 3 JESSE WAS SUBMITTED FROM THE BOTTOM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by aseepish
        Guard is dead? Somebody better tell that to Nogueira.
        I don't know, Fedor Emilianenko rocked Nog when he was in Nog's guard in fight 1...(I haven't seen fight 2 between them) I'm amazed Nog didn't get knocked out cold, guy has a granite chin. Fedor won both matches btw...

        Guard a 'neutral postition'..... Yeah right, on the street all anyone needs to do is grab your head and smash it against the sidewalk, not to mention you're vulnerable to being GnP'd in MMA - It's only a neutral position in a strait grappling match...

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Mikeb85
          I don't know, Fedor Emilianenko rocked Nog when he was in Nog's guard in fight 1...(I haven't seen fight 2 between them) I'm amazed Nog didn't get knocked out cold, guy has a granite chin. Fedor won both matches btw...

          Guard a 'neutral postition'..... Yeah right, on the street all anyone needs to do is grab your head and smash it against the sidewalk, not to mention you're vulnerable to being GnP'd in MMA - It's only a neutral position in a strait grappling match...
          Hey genius, read the thread, we've already determined that... check out post 6, by me no less...

          "In pure grappling gaurd is not a dominant position as you stated.. its a neutral position."

          Thats the whole post, I dont think anyone has claimed its neutral in mma.. I certainly have it..

          BTW, Fedor has to be one of the best GNPer in the world, and undoubtedly the best from inside the gaurd, of course hes gonna smash people from Gaurd. Even if it is Big Nog who probably has the best gaurd in MMA. No I'll even go out to say that he has the best MMA gaurd.

          Did you see how many subs nog attempted in the first fight alone, did you see when he sweeped Fedor (albeit he got it reversed shortly after). Gaurd certainly isnt dead.

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