Matt Hughs or Royce Gracie

[J-Luck]

Oh Uke, Uke, Uke, Uke, thats not the only thing working against Royce.

I used to think Hughes would win, but Royce had a very good chance...

Now I think Hughes will fucking murder Royce. Heres why.

The rules work in Hughes' advantage, he's used to fighting with them, and "UFC 1 rules" would be an advantage for Royce as the "dirty" shots help him set up his submissions. Such as grabbing kimo's pony tail , alot of people think thats the only reason he won that fight. Hughes has always fought under these rules, knows these rules, and even though Royce has fought in pride, its still foreign rules and Matt holds the advantage here.

Matt has been far more active than Royce
Matt has more MMA experience than Royce.

Heres a big one, Matt controls where the fight will take place, If Hughes is winning the standup, he will keep it there, Royce wont be able to take Hughes down, if Hughes feels he wants to put royce against the cage, he will do so with EASE. The only time Matt is at a disadvantage is if he is on his back. With his wrestling skills, I doubt he will get swept, and there is no way Royce takes him down and puts him on his back.

Matt has better striking then Royce, Royce is jiu jitsu through and through and he has to stick to Jiu Jitsu. Even Rickson said "the day Jiu Jitsu fighters try to kickbox, is the day they lose". While Matt's striking is nothing to write home about, it is better than Royces. Especially being able to train with Miletich Fighters, Sylvia, although a troll, has decent striking, he also has Rich Franklin's coaching at his disposal if he wants it.

Hughes is younger, he has age on his side.
Hughes will come in weighing more than Royce.

The two things I will give Royce is the height advantage and the submission advantage.

Note I said submission, not ground, Hughes is better than Royce on the ground, just not in submissions, control, etc, Hughes dominates.

I can also throw in the fact, that Royce fought people who didnt even know what an Armbar was when he was racking up his wins.... (of which he has significantly less than Hughes).

If Kimo had even MY relatively limited grappling knowledge... nowhere close to Royce, I think he would of beat Royce. The size and strength difference would have been to much.

Edit; I forgot the thing with Newton, that Hughes that ALMOST (remember he didnt) lost to Newton, is far far far far FAR different in BJJ/submission knowledge than the Hughes we know and love (lol) today.

Lol, sorry, I didn't see this post... it basically said everything I said in mine, meant to say in mine, and more.

[J-Luck]

Royce can submit him as BJ Penn did with ease, due to Hughes lack of ground submissions and over confidence. We do know that Royce can submit him and we do know that there is no way Hughes will have any chance to submit Royce, none.
What most likely will happen is Royce get Hughes inhis guard and the fight in prematurley stopped and Huges is given a TKO gnp stoppage, or Royce stalls and cant get a submission so Hughes squeeks out a decision.
One thing for certain also is Hughes isnt going toshow Royce anything he hasnt seen before 100 times over.
Hughes is nothing impressive to me at all, not one bit.

First, no he can't submit him that easily. He has been crosstraining in jiu-jitsu, and is one of the best athletes in MMA today, so what makes you think he can't get good enough(I'd argue he already is good enough) to defend against Royce. Athletes pick up quick, and though Royce is one, he's not on the level of Hughes. Though I agree, he can't submit Royce... why would he want to, all he need to do is defend the submission, which won't be difficult seeing as to how he isn't the same fighter who lost to Penn.

It won't be stopped prematurely, Hughes will control on the ground and pound Royce bloody. I've heard some people say he will be training in wrestling and to defend against wrestlers like Hughes and their ground and pound style, but we are talking a 5th place NCAA Championship wrestler here, they simply can't produce a guy like that for him to train with to prepare himself against Hughes.

And, for those reasons and more, he WILL show Royce things he hasn't seen before, not the least of which will be a younger(he's won most of his fights as the younger guy), world class athlete(something you can never prepare for), and more well versed in MMA competition than Royce himself.

[Tameo]

Royce will choke him out

[OmaPlata]

First, no he can't submit him that easily. He has been crosstraining in jiu-jitsu, and is one of the best athletes in MMA today, so what makes you think he can't get good enough(I'd argue he already is good enough) to defend against Royce. Athletes pick up quick, and though Royce is one, he's not on the level of Hughes. Though I agree, he can't submit Royce... why would he want to, all he need to do is defend the submission, which won't be difficult seeing as to how he isn't the same fighter who lost to Penn.

It won't be stopped prematurely, Hughes will control on the ground and pound Royce bloody. I've heard some people say he will be training in wrestling and to defend against wrestlers like Hughes and their ground and pound style, but we are talking a 5th place NCAA Championship wrestler here, they simply can't produce a guy like that for him to train with to prepare himself against Hughes.

And, for those reasons and more, he WILL show Royce things he hasn't seen before, not the least of which will be a younger(he's won most of his fights as the younger guy), world class athlete(something you can never prepare for), and more well versed in MMA competition than Royce himself.

After watching Hughes and Trigg I take back anything I said about Hughes having a chance, Royce is going to destroy him. Hughes sucks, really, once in a while he gets lucky, but after Trigg almost had him KO'd in one minute, Royce will easily own this turd,

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

It really doesnt matter that everyone thinks Hughes is gonna beat him up and gonna do this and gonna do that. The fact is, that Royce is going to apply a submission hold...choke him out, make him quit, help him up and send him home. The odds of Royce winning are so low that losing wouldnt be so bad. We'll just have to see May 27 alright.

[twtguy]

After watching Hughes and Trigg I take back anything I said about Hughes having a chance, Royce is going to destroy him. Hughes sucks, really, once in a while he gets lucky, but after Trigg almost had him KO'd in one minute, Royce will easily own this turd,

Oh, come on! Trigg hit him in the nuts and capitalized on it. I wouldn't say that his "almost" KO on hughes is even legit.

The fact is, that Royce is going to apply a submission hold...choke him out, make him quit, help him up and send him home.

lol...I'm gettin kinda tired of that commercial.

[J-Luck]

After watching Hughes and Trigg I take back anything I said about Hughes having a chance, Royce is going to destroy him. Hughes sucks, really, once in a while he gets lucky, but after Trigg almost had him KO'd in one minute, Royce will easily own this turd,

A good MMA fighter gets better all the time, and Hughes is no exception. I stick by what I said and untill you come up with legit rebuttals to my points what I said sticks.

[J-Luck]

It really doesnt matter that everyone thinks Hughes is gonna beat him up and gonna do this and gonna do that. The fact is, that Royce is going to apply a submission hold...choke him out, make him quit, help him up and send him home. The odds of Royce winning are so low that losing wouldnt be so bad. We'll just have to see May 27 alright.

Again, rebutt with valid points, then you will be taken seriously.

[Uke]

He wasn't a second away from tapping, he used a slam(which is a judo technique to defend against the guard) to loosten the choke, he was surprised in only that he had done more than loosten it. He was also not as well versed in submission grappling back then and the fight is not as good of an example of how he fights anymore. I think, though Royce is a (6????) degree black belt... Hughes may be a better grappler... I mean, he is a NCAA championship placer, which is a world renowned grappling event(though it's not always seen as that by martial artists). I think it will be a decent fight, but fairly boring as Royce will stall alot. I have heard he has been working almost exclusively on striking to try to pull a surprise, but a guy like Hughes who is amazingly athletic and is still crosstraining and learning will certainly have the upperhand.

Did you watch the fight? Even after Newton was KO'd he didn't get up right away.

[J-Luck]

Did you watch the fight? Even after Newton was KO'd he didn't get up right away.

Ummm... yea, I did. Common sense would dictate that he didn't intend on knocking him out, only loostening the choke, which he believed happend... in which case he would try to the best of his ability to keep fighting, in fact fighting to win... do you have a point here?

[rev.jc]

I'm going with hughes, too many tools! he can strike, grapple and over power gracie, though I was suprised he submitted kimo! I think hughes will change over the guard if you will,I think he showed alot in the riggs fight.

But hughes could get submitted he needs to wathc the arm bars, and not get to comfortable and continue to work from the top.

[SamuraiGuy]

A good MMA fighter gets better all the time, and Hughes is no exception. I stick by what I said and untill you come up with legit rebuttals to my points what I said sticks.

J-Luck, Omoplata will never pick a BJJ blackbelt too lose to a MMA fighter, he just wont, hes the resident Gracie Nuthugger, its a board rule, like "samuraiguy is always right".

If you really want to stick it to Omoplata and his Gracie, BJJ nuthugging, just say....

AND YOUR WINNER BY SPLIT DECISION, GEORGES "RUSH" ST. PIERRE!!!!
(your loser being BJ Penn)

Once again, MMA fighter will dominate the BJJ man, I'm not saying Penn isnt an MMA fighter, and Royce is a mma fighter too, just not on the level of GSP and Hughes.

[J-Luck]

J-Luck, Omoplata will never pick a BJJ blackbelt too lose to a MMA fighter, he just wont, hes the resident Gracie Nuthugger, its a board rule, like "samuraiguy is always right".

If you really want to stick it to Omoplata and his Gracie, BJJ nuthugging, just say....

AND YOUR WINNER BY SPLIT DECISION, GEORGES "RUSH" ST. PIERRE!!!!
(your loser being BJ Penn)

Once again, MMA fighter will dominate the BJJ man, I'm not saying Penn isnt an MMA fighter, and Royce is a mma fighter too, just not on the level of GSP and Hughes.

True... lol... Gracie nuthugger, haha that's funny.

[OmaPlata]

J-Luck, Omoplata will never pick a BJJ blackbelt too lose to a MMA fighter, he just wont, hes the resident Gracie Nuthugger, its a board rule, like "samuraiguy is always right".

If you really want to stick it to Omoplata and his Gracie, BJJ nuthugging, just say....

AND YOUR WINNER BY SPLIT DECISION, GEORGES "RUSH" ST. PIERRE!!!!
(your loser being BJ Penn)

Once again, MMA fighter will dominate the BJJ man, I'm not saying Penn isnt an MMA fighter, and Royce is a mma fighter too, just not on the level of GSP and Hughes.

So Hughes can beat Royce because Royce is a BJJ black belt, but then Hughes got TOTALLY TOSSED AROUND AND OWNED BY BJ PENN. Then you say GSP is on a higher level then Penn. Yet Hughes owned GSP? I dont see the logic, and the fight between Hughes and Royce will go to the ground where ROyce will own him. Hughes hasnt shown me anything else Id give him more of a chance, he got tossed around like a white belt by Penn and KO'd almost by Trigg who sucks. The only chanch Hughes has is to hope he falls into Royces guard and then GNPs him, which ROyce wont let happen, but it could. Regardless of who Hughes fights, a gracie or not, I hate that fucking dick head, he thinks hes so great and really he isnt.

[georgie]

So Hughes can beat Royce because Royce is a BJJ black belt, but then Hughes got TOTALLY TOSSED AROUND AND OWNED BY BJ PENN. Then you say GSP is on a higher level then Penn. Yet Hughes owned GSP? I dont see the logic, and the fight between Hughes and Royce will go to the ground where ROyce will own him. Hughes hasnt shown me anything else Id give him more of a chance, he got tossed around like a white belt by Penn and KO'd almost by Trigg who sucks. The only chanch Hughes has is to hope he falls into Royces guard and then GNPs him, which ROyce wont let happen, but it could. Regardless of who Hughes fights, a gracie or not, I hate that fucking dick head, he thinks hes so great and really he isnt.

i agree with you O ......hughes will be overconfident ...he thinks he can go to the ground with royce and pull off a submission......hes not even in the same league as royce on the ground....as far as striking, hughes does not impress me at all as a striker and i think he knows his strength is in his takedowns and submissions......he'll simply believe he's better than royce on the ground and will find out the hard way the lion isnt playing with him.......buuuuuuttttt......we shall see wont we?