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When I grapple I usually go no-gi. I have been looking into lapel chokes recently and something is throwing me off. For the front lapel choke(palms/wrists facing up), is the pressure applied by swinging the elbows out and bringing them to the ground or do you tuck your elbows in and just pull them into you?
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You need to grab near the back of the neck to secure the lapel. You get more leverage that way. The lapel itself is what secures the choke. You can use your fist to add pressure too.Originally posted by Bjjexpertise@be -
It's not a "throw"...Position first. Then strangle!
Originally posted by Bjjexpertise@be
There are three variations of the basic Juji-Jime (cross choke). You are referring to the reverse cross choke or Gyaku-juji-jime.
Illustrations:
See also the normal cross choke or Nami-juji-jime
And the half cross choke or Kata-juji-jime
They are more difficult to counter if your elbows are close to your body but the "trick" is to apply pressure to both sides of his neck with your hands or the Gi collar (Lapel) by pulling them across his neck in opposite directions. Not so much "swinging your elbows"
These can hurt! Be carefull with your training partners!
Hope that helps...
Enjoy!Comment
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Thats some good stuff...Can I do this to people who are wearing jackets and hoodies(sweaters) and even shirts(flannels and collar shirts). Does it work standing up? Which Gi choke do i use?Comment
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Thanks for the info everyone. I've seen the pictures and everything but I wasn't too sure on how to apply the pressure for the choke or where the pressure was coming from. So according to Tant01's information, I kind of turn my wrists towards his neck/turn my knuckles outward in order to start the strangle? Or I can just secure my position and it will strangle on it's own?Comment
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For a particularly PAINFULL version of Gyaku-jime use your knuckles!Comment
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Originally posted by Bjjexpertise@be
Experiment! Just practice until it "feels" right! You'll know if it's working by how FAST they tap out! The thing is less about what is pressing against the neck (the sides of your hands, back of hands or the lapel itself) more about the pressure on the arteries. Have fun with it! Shimewaza is good stuff!
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Ah say thankya! I'll be practicing the Kata-juji-jime. I think I got it now, so as long as I pressure into their neck with my hands then I'm fine?Comment
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Nice.
Thanks for that additional info, tant. Personally I prefer gyaku grip.Comment
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One of my favorite subjects... Nothing like a good choke!
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...to wake you up in the morning....Originally posted by Tant01One of my favorite subjects... Nothing like a good choke! 
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For a super fast choke (using the gyaku-juji grip) from the guard, get both hands as deep as possible - deeper than is shown in the illustration. Ideally, the two thumbs should be touching behind your opponent's neck. Your wrists are radially extended (i.e., thumb is bend towards the ulna). To choke first radially extend the wrists in the opposite direction (pinkie to radius), flex your wrists, and pull your elbows to the ground. Experiment with the initial wrist extension - it works great.
If you're having trouble finishing the choke, sweep the other guy over with a scissors sweep if you have space to get your knee across his belly, or by grapevining his legs, stretching them out, and then taking him over. His hands are probably going to be too busy defending the choke to defend the sweep.
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BJJ strangles by the book...
Originally posted by Bjjexpertise@be
O-kay... One more time! The BJJ theory and technique (book) decribes the standing version of Gyaku juji jime this way: First open the right side of uke's collar with your left hand,
doing this gives you room to put the fingers of your right hand deep inside...all the way to the back of (his) neck...slide your left hand under your right arm palm up and again grip the collar with your fingers under, thumb out. Gripping tightly makes a fist with both hands. With both hands in the proper position you begin the strangle "by rotating (your) fists toward each other" This presses the wrist bones against the tissue over the corotid arteries to diminish the blood flow to the brain. The book also suggests pulling your opponent close to your chest by pulling your elbows down as you rotate your fists toward each other... to prevent him from defending the choke...
The same book decribes a "Front lapel strangle hold" (Kata-juji-jime or half cross strangle) from the mount this way... ..."slide the first hand in as deeply as possible. Your knuckles should touch the floor if possible" first hand with the four fingers under the lapel...the second hand goes in with the thumb under... To keep his elbows in close to his body Renzo actually posts on the top of his head over Royler's left shoulder.Comment
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Got it thanks!Comment
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Originally posted by Bjjexpertise@be
Just one wrist up Ithought, and reach in real deep, far back as you can, before you start the choke, thats the key right there.Comment
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