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    I recently visited Renzo Gracie's academy in New York City because I was interested in taking classes on Bjj. I do however have many concerns about their school and I would like some of your opinions and thoughts about it. I was given a introductory class and a chance to try out one of their white belt program a couple days ago.

    First off my main concern is their class size. Its huge compared with other different martial arts schools I visited. I am use to about 10-15 people per class so at least there is SOME teacher and student interaction. Their regular class size is about 35-40 people on average. Igor Gracie teaches the beginner class(white & Blue belt) and Renzo teaches the intermediate and advanced(Purple, Brown & Black) class. When I was in the white belt class the students gathered around Igor and all I saw him do was only explained a move and demostrate it a few times. It was expected for the student would practice it with their partners afterward for a few minutes. That was it. Barely any interaction with Igor Gracie himself.

    Another concern I have is the pricing and if the money is worth the classes/hours or not. They charge about 190$ a month to attend the academy. This is a bit more then what I usually pay and even less class time offered as well. When I compare other martial arts schools they are usually about 125$ to 150$ a month but I wouldnt mind paying more since class are taught by actually Gracies. Classes are offered 6 days a week and about an hour long each.

    This is how the class runs: the first 15 minutes would be devouted to warming up the next 30 minutes would be learning from Igor as he would demostrate certain Bjj techniques. THe last 15 minutes of the class would be used to again warm up. The first warm up of the class require a student to roll across the dojo and to have someone hold your legs so that you would walk across the dojo with your bare hands as well as jumping jacks and squats. The last warm up involved stretches heavily involving areas in the abdominal and back section of the body. So only about 30 minutes would actually be spent on learning and rolling around with a partner. The person guiding me through the dojo and explaining things said that even though there's 6 classes per week, its recommended to only come at most 4 times a week so that your muscles can rest, similar to when people work out at the gym. So in total I would be attending class about 4 hours a week. Hardly worth the money in my opinion.

    I do really want to learn Brazilian Jiu Jitsu so i'll have to think it over. I'll say one thing though, the people there were extremely friendly and I felt right at home. I was probably the youngest one there though (17) but the person who greeted me said that its good to start learning so early and that he wished he learned Bjj at my age. This is the only Gracie academy in New York City and there arnt many other spectacular Bjj academys in this area anyway but again problems with this place is that the class size is too big, there is not a lot of teacher student interaction and I dont think the more expensive tutition is worth the classes there. So what do you guys think am I being too whiney about this place or should I enroll?

  • #2
    Originally posted by CoN
    and there arnt many other spectacular Bjj academys in this area anyway
    You shut your mouth whore!

    Marcelo Garcia is opening one up in NYC, check it out.

    Alliance Jiu Jitsu baby....

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    • #3
      I train at Renzo in NYC & love it. Yes the classes are kinda big but that’s what happens when you are one of the best. Plus some might disagree with me here but larger classes tend to be a little bit better. My reason is you have more people to train with, whereas in a small group you can get a little to familiar with the people you train with & start to see tendencies. It’s kinda like a video game once you figure out the pattern it becomes real easy. Also there are like 7 black belts & numerous people walking around to help if you have any questions.

      Are there other BJJ schools in the city? Yes. Are there cheaper? Sure but not by much. Is there an Alliance Jiu Jitsu? Yes there is & it been here for quite a while & it is taught by Fabio Clemente. There a 3 Gracies (Igor, Rolles & Renzo) all of whom actually teach at Renzo Academy. If that’s not enough people like Matt Serra & Ricardo Almedia pop in to teach a class from time to time.

      As for the $$$ part yes it is quite expensive but well worth it. This is NYC & they do have a prime spot (quite big too). Some people tend to forget things like rent, utilities & other various expenses. I am sure if they could be a little cheaper they would but they have to make a living & pay the bills as well.

      A big class can be intimidating & you really do have to pay attention. It’s not for everybody. I am not into bashing other schools, styles or people they are all good in my book & it really depends what you are looking for in life. Go to some of the other schools check them out see what they have to offer. I am almost certain the programs they offer will be about the same (10 – 15 min warm up, 30 – 45 min technique/spar, 5 min cool down).

      Best of luck…

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      • #4
        Listen, Renzo Gracie has a great school and has produced both great grapplers and fighters. But if you didn't like the "vibe" that's a personal thing.

        There are a LOT of BJJ places in NY. NY San Da is on 37th between 8th and 9th and we currently have Carmine Zocchi teaching three times a week. Carmine is a brown belt under Marcelo Mello (should be black but Marcelo is in Brazil now!). Carmine has vast experience as both a grappler and a MMA fighter. Carmine also has vast experience as a teacher and coach.

        Our classes are about 15 minutes or warm up, 40 to 50 minutes of technique and 30 to 40 minutes rolling.

        Of course, you can also do San Da Kickboxing with us in a combined program

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        • #5
          I've never trained with Renzo but have friends who have trained with him and he's an excellent teacher. Yes, his school is more expensive than most since it's in prime real estate.

          As was posted, there are MANY BJJ schools in the NY area that are all top notch schools for learning BJJ.

          To be honest, you can get the same quality instruction when you're starting out at many schools and since you're young, you probably don't have a deep bank account and should look at other schools instead of Renzo's.

          Go to all the schools you're interested in, check out the facility, ask questions to both the instructor and the students. Sooner or later, you'll find a school that's perfect for you.

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          • #6
            hard to advance when the classes are big, the instuctor wont see you submitting people as ofter and when he does watch you it might be on a bad day when youre tired or getting tossed around like JLuck does everyday

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            • #7
              Originally posted by OmaPlata
              hard to advance when the classes are big, the instuctor wont see you submitting people as ofter and when he does watch you it might be on a bad day when youre tired or getting tossed around like JLuck does everyday
              And advancing is really the only reason anyone would do BJJ right?

              Knob.

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              • #8
                LOL

                I got neg repped for promoting arguably the best pound for pound grappler in the world.

                Especially in No-Gi.

                "I want an option other than Renzo but thats just as quality"

                "Here's like the best guy in the world, check him out"

                Random Person: "Man, completely answering that guys question was such a bad response"

                You people kill me sometimes.....

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SamuraiGuy
                  LOL

                  I got neg repped for promoting arguably the best pound for pound grappler in the world.

                  Especially in No-Gi.

                  "I want an option other than Renzo but thats just as quality"

                  "Here's like the best guy in the world, check him out"

                  Random Person: "Man, completely answering that guys question was such a bad response"

                  You people kill me sometimes.....
                  Dont worry dude ill help you back out ok....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SamuraiGuy
                    And advancing is really the only reason anyone would do BJJ right?

                    I want to suck your Knob.

                    Easy there dude, i dont go there. But as for advancing, who said it was the only reason? you said it idiot, most people like to get rewarded for hard work and determined training, not get overlooked cuz the main instructor has too many different guys teaching classed to know whos getting better. and who doesnt see enough of each student to propery test them regularly. Now about sucking my knob......send you mom over, I hear she swallows it all

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by OmaPlata
                      Easy there dude, i dont go there. But as for advancing, who said it was the only reason? you said it idiot, most people like to get rewarded for hard work and determined training, not get overlooked cuz the main instructor has too many different guys teaching classed to know whos getting better. and who doesnt see enough of each student to propery test them regularly. Now about sucking my knob......send you mom over, I hear she swallows it all
                      .................priceless.

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                      • #12
                        Personally I think you should be looking for smaller class sizes and cheaper rates. In the beginning of BJJ you really need to nail down the core concepts of moving your hips and staying tight. For this I feel you need as much instructor-student interaction as possible, as these are concepts that don't come naturally to someone who has just started grappling. Pretty much any BJJ black belt and most browns can teach you these things.

                        Also on a personal note, I hate wasting time warming up. At my school we probably spend about 5 minutes warming up at the beginning of class. Then we are shown some techniques over the course of about 35 minutes while the instructor walks around and watches each person do the techniques individually. We spend the last 20-30 minutes rolling.

                        If I were you I would visit many schools and see which one offers a program that you are most interested in. Some schools are strictly gi BJJ while some offer MMA classes as well. But yes, 17 is a great time to start BJJ !

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SamuraiGuy
                          You shut your mouth whore!

                          Marcelo Garcia is opening one up in NYC, check it out.

                          Alliance Jiu Jitsu baby....
                          I heard of this guy somewhere before and i've seen a Bjj spar between him and Renzo. This guy is an amazing ground fighter, where in NYC is he opening his school?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by OmaPlata
                            Easy there dude, i dont go there. But as for advancing, who said it was the only reason? you said it idiot, most people like to get rewarded for hard work and determined training, not get overlooked cuz the main instructor has too many different guys teaching classed to know whos getting better. and who doesnt see enough of each student to propery test them regularly. Now about sucking my knob......send you mom over, I hear she swallows it all
                            lol idiot your one contribution to this thread was about how you wont advance in rank if you dont get watched by an instructor.

                            The reward you get for hard work is learning grappling/better fighting, is it really that important that you have a blue belt or a purple belt around your waist.

                            The head instructor at my school maybe sees me about once a week, he doesnt see the 8 other classes I put in during the week, do I care. No. I'm getting better faster than anyone else, thats reward enough for the hard work.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CoN
                              I heard of this guy somewhere before and i've seen a Bjj spar between him and Renzo. This guy is an amazing ground fighter, where in NYC is he opening his school?
                              CON - see below other schools for BJJ and a good link for MAs in NYC and boroughs.

                              Anyone have an opinion on Marcus Santos at Machado BJJ or Edson Carvalho BJJ?






                              Edson Carvalho Brazilian Jujitsu and Judo at Ultimate Gym Muay Thai
                              Edson Carvalho
                              1 East 28th St. 2nd Floor
                              New York 10001
                              212-725-5552

                              Fabio Clemente Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
                              Fabio Clemente, Roni Cardoso
                              77 8th Ave
                              New York 10014
                              917-971-8239

                              Machado Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
                              28-30 West 36th Street. 10F, buzzer #14
                              New York
                              212-244-8500

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