Ryron Gracie... UPDATE!!!

[Karlinhos]

gremlin, if you were truly knowledgable about the techniques of BJJ and the world of BJJ, you'd know that within the world of purple, brown and black belts for one to beat another on any given day is really no big deal. they basically all know the same techniques... the difference being that when you progress your techniques should flow from technique to technique more smoothly, quickly and effortlessly. when you get to BB level you should be flowing without thinking. second nature.

bottom line: sure, it's a cool thing that ryron beat A black belt (and i mean one), but it's nothing to get your panties in a bunch about.

now, if he starts beating BB's on a regular basis, THEN maybe his rank should be reassesed, but so far it's only one win... so yank out the undergarment and have a seat.

(lol)

gremlin, my friendly suggestion to you is, that if you really don't know much about something, zip the yapper, LISTEN and learn. ask questions, don't make statements. you'll get much further QUICKER in life that way.

[SweepEm]

I was chatting with Fabiano Iha one day, and I got him to talk about himself and how he got into BJJ.
To make long story short, he was interested in BJJ ever since he first heard that a black belt was going to open up a school in his town. He said that he waited on the curb for the instructor to show up and carried in most of the boxes to start to set up the school.
From the beginning, Fabiano wanted to learn as much about BJJ as possible. He progressed quickly and as a blue belt, he showed much promise and one day, his instructor (I am not sure if it's Crolin Gracie, but that was who he got his teaching certificate from) took Fabiano to the "big" school and he got to spar with a black belt. Even at the blue belt level, Fabiano was able to arm bar a black belt. Now how is this possible? Well, I was stunned as many of you might have been, listening to this story. A blue belt tapping out a black belt, convincingly?
But as his instructor told Fabiano, he is still at the blue belt level, but his one move is a black belt move, meaning that many of his other aspects of his BJJ knowledge is lacking and he will need much more training, but in the right circumstances, he has the skill and knowledge to use some moves to tap a black belt athlete.
Now I don't know if this might be where Ryron is at, since I haven't seen him train and spar in quite a few years, but this might be such a situation.
A guy like Barrett Yoshida has an awesome guard, but from what I heard, a while back, if you mounted him, his skills to escape the mount was lacking, especially compared to his guard.
Some dudes just have some specialties that makes them a phenom at certain moves, but they lack the skills in others.
You see the world class BJJ black belts compete and are awesome because they have great skills at all areas.

[KenJeet]

Alpha 1,

First and foremost, I would like to say that I know of at least 2 or 3 instructors in Miami who claim to teach Brazilian Jiujitsu but do not have any rank to support them. I am sure that just like there are 2 or three in Miami alone, there must be a whole bunch spread across the country. By the way, yes I am the person who said that after 40 private lessons with Pedro Valente "I", and once again, I stress "I" would probably be granted a Blue or even possibly a Purple belt based on my ability to grasp the material and "my" prior background. He obviously made no promises but told me that his 40 lessons pretty much contain all of the basic curriculum of Gracie Jiu-jitsu. Mind you, he clearly stated that to become a Gracie Jiu-jitsu Black belt is a long process that requires a lot of dedication and an expertise on performing techniques in a technically sound fashion. However, that being said, the 40 lessons may expedite "my" progress to blue or purple, but after that you definitely have to put in thousands of hours of flight time. To say that something has been rushed does not necessarily mean rushed as referring to time. What dictates whether something has been rushed is whether you have been able to grasp the material. If you were to be learning the alphabet and how to spell words, would you spend three years trying to learn how to pronounce and spell the word "Dog" to be able to pronounce your supremecy based on the countless amounts of years you've spent pronouning and spelling the word "Dog"? The reason he told me this is because he is familiar with my background. I have been training for about 17 years. I currently train in Ed Parker's American Kenpo, Jeet Kune Do Concepts/Filipino Martial Arts, Kodokan Judo,and Gracie Jiujitsu. In addition, I have spent time in Shootfighting and a bit of Erik Paulson's Shootwrestling and Combat Submission Grappling. The amount of years that I have spent basically dedicating my life to dilligent research and study of various systems along with training with some of the worldss most respected martial artist in their fields, allows me to immediately identify a common thread in all systems and expedites "my" learning process. I have spent some considerable time doing grappling. Gracie Jiujitsu just happens to be my latest and newest endeavor. I was not trying to stir up a controversy by stating that there are many self proclaimed black belts in Brazilian Jiujitsu, the fact is that unfortunately there are. This however, does not take anything away from those who have legitimitely earned their rank and put in the hours.

[True Technique]

"I just want to ask Ken how does it feel to have wasted over 17 years of your life studying washed out martial arts?"

---The Master---

[gremlin]

and which of the above martial arts is supossed to be washed out??

[True Technique]

"Gremlin, they're all washed out except for shootfighting and jiu-jitsu. My main point (which I failed to mention the first time) was that Ken has been training for about 17 years and is so stupid enough to believe that there is a chance for him to can go from white to purple belt within a measly 40 private lessons. That guy has got to be on crack. Any one who spends 17 years of their life training to move not even a notch along the assembly line should give up and/or quit. Not ramble about how so many years of dedication should speed up his learning process (plus he wasn't making sense anyways). Also, I am a bit offended by how he claims to be studying brazillian jiu-jitsu by mere chance (can that really be so, Ken?) and not because it has proven to be the most effective raw fighting style."


---The Master---

[Edited by True Technique on 02-04-2001 at 01:36 PM]

[KenJeet]

True Technique,

Perhaps I didn't make sense or maybe you just do not have the mental capacity to comprehend what I was trying to explain. It seems that people like you have an appetite for putting people down instead of encouraging people. My mere existence on this forum is not to put other people down but encourage them in their training. I was not trying to show off or profess my many years of training. If I was so cocky about what I have already learned I would not be strapping on a white belt and starting in Gracie jiu-jitsu. If you would only know me you would soon find out that I am a person with a very open mind. I truly don't understand why you would say that all of the systems I train in are washed up. They are some of the top systems out there. Perhaps you do not follow NHB events or are not entirely familiar with all of these systems and what sub-systems they are composed of. Also, some of the cream of the crop fighters have cross-trained in most of the systems I've mentioned. Randy Couture consistently trains with Matt Thornton at the Straight Blast Gym and cross-trains in Functional JKD. Sakuraba, in case you didn't know, has primarily a Judo and Wrestling background. I guess you could also say that a very good Brazilian Jiujitsu instructor like Roy Harris trains in washed up systems also because he is also an instructor in JKD Concepts and the Filipino Martial Arts. I think most would agree that one of the reasons that he is such a good instructor is his ability to see things not only from a Brazilian Jiujitsu perspective but from a JKD Concepts one as well. By the way, since when did I say that I'm suddenly taking Gracie Jiu-jitsu by chance? I'm taking it because I feel that it is very effective at its range and simply would like to add it to my personal matrix. What system or systems do you study True Technique?

[gremlin]

true technique,

please explain to me how judo, JKD, and kali/escrima are outdated?? judo has great throws and excellent ground work (just as good as BJJ if you find the right school). JKD is the most well rounded system ever assembled and prepairs you better for a real world assault (not sport) better than any other system out there. and kali/escrima has personally come in handy several times. i can't speak about kenpo. i would love for you to tell me why these systems are washed out.

[gremlin]

hey true technique, i'm still waiting for you to explain to me why these systems are out dated??

[bobby_steeles]

wow, ken jeet, you ACTUALLY strapped on a white belt to start training in bjj? well damn, that's highly commendable!
just by mentioning that it's obvious that you're doing it, but you really think that you shouldn't have to do it, because of your "many" years of training.
what a prick...

[KenJeet]

I think that those who keep lashing back at me are just not understanding where I'm coming from. My statement about me strapping on a white belt again was not intended to be arrogant but the opposite. What I meant was that there are many people out there that are very proud of their rank, refuse to stoop to a lower belt level again because they think they are already masters and are too close minded to ever venture out into a new system even though they no in the bottom of their hearts that what they may be skilled at may need some additional supplementation to be effective in all ranges of fighting. I appologize if for some reason it sounded cocky or arrogant. However,we should all try to be a little less quick to judge.

[Mr. Miyagi]

I got my blue belt after a year and a half of training on average twice a week. I attribute this quick easy promotion to my natural skill and prior experience.

[True Technique]

"Gremlin, if I were you I would never wait for me to reply to one of your questions. I am no Ryu. I don't visit this forum every other second (and p*ss sleep and sh*t here). I come only when I get bored (or excited) like every other day. I never really said that *sex* those other "crappy" fighting styles were outdated or did I? In any case, just take me back a few dates (really I want to go out with you) past the expiration date and I would still say the same thing. I meant that they are much less efficient when it comes to training like with JKD. The way they train in JKD is hilarious (like "here hold your hand up so I can slap it down" or "we train with sticks and swords and we don't use any head gear or safety equipment--we're the best") or more like stupid. I don't care how *sex* long Ken has been training if he hasn't trained in bjj, kickboxing, or boxing. And as for Judo *sex*--well, just get rid of the d*mn gi and it would be more realistic. Am I getting my point out right? I hope so because I'm not going to try any harder."


---The Master---

[KenJeet]

Well, I think its pretty obvious to me now that True Technique has no clue of what he is talking about. I actually feel like I have wasted my time trying to explain to someone who apparently was never even in the ball park. Before you make comments about a particular system you should take it upon yourself to do a little bit of research. If you knew anything about JKD Concepts, you would understand that its precursor (Jun Fan Gung Fu-what is taught today as the base of JKD Concepts) is composed of many systems and sub-systems. In case you have not done any research, Bruce Lee was so enamored by the way Muhammad Ali moved, that he made Boxing one of the key ingredients in his personal expression of JKD. In addition, Muay Thai is one of the systems found in Jun Fan and is highly encouraged at most JKD Concepts schools. The training in Muay Thai is guided under the direction of Ajarn Chai, which is one of the most respected Muay Thai instructors in the world. With regards to your comments about Kali being a system without any contact, go and purchase the Dog Brothers videos and then tell me weather it is practiced full contact or not. By the way, have you ever been smacked even just on the hand with an escrima stick? Don't knock it till you've tried it. With regards to Judo and wearing a Gi, if that were the case then Brazilian Jiu-jitsu would not be efficient either, and we all know that it is. Finally, have you ever been severely thrown by a Judo practicioner? Probably not, if you have been you would attest to its affectiveness.

[True Technique]

"This is cute, Ken. Who do you think you're talking to you piece of sh*t? Whatever you've been doing in the past 17 years (like f*cking your grandmother or something)--I don't care but what you don't realize is that I am wasting my time talking to you. With regards to my comments about Kali being a system without any contact---what the h*ll? Whose comments are you talking about? I never said any thing like that. Ken, I think you should cut down on fantasizing about me because you're beginning to hear voices (and no, they are not mines). With regards to Judo and wearing a Gi, if that were the case---if what was the case? Are you trying to quote me here or something, Ken? Remember only ---The Master--- can quote the master so you should quit making things up (apparently, you like doing that). Nowadays, I have a slightly sour taste (so shoot me) for stand up fighting with a gi. With your 17 years of experience you should be able to (easily?) figure out why. Also, my opinion on stand up gi fighting would not filter down into jiu-jitsu which, at its heart, is on the ground. Bruce Lee was so enamored by the---whoa, hold up. Who? The mystical ninja of karate town enamored? No way, you're kidding me, Ken (right?)! Duh you prick who wouldn't be enamored (I mean impressed) by Muhammad Ali's footwork? Even God (the christian one) was impressed by the way Ali gracefully danced around the ring (I know, I saw I him there at the one of the fights!). And finally, have you ever been severely thrown by a Judo practicioner---probably not my *ss you lame f*ck. I have no respect for you and your wimpy intelligence whatsoever, Ken."


---The Master---

[Edited by True Technique on 02-06-2001 at 10:30 PM]