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I hope you guys liked my MA history in a nut shell type post.
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Have any of you MMA guys heard of "Bartistu?" This modern form of MMA was started by a British man back around 1899 or so after he came back from Japan with knowledge of Jujutsu and combined it with western boxing. If you want to know more visit Wikipedia.com and type in "Bartistu". Although it's nowhere near as old as Pankration, its interesting to see that people were looking at modern MMA a lot earlier than most people realise.Comment
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Originally posted by jubaji View Post
............tHEN THe wrestlers put on those GAY ass tights they were that hugg the ass area and squeeze the testicles and put those funny things over their ears and squeezed the others guy buttucks............Comment
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Oh...why, man...why do you HAVE to make me go there...Originally posted by traveller View Post
You KNOW why those employed by wallmart as greeters can't eliminate rude shoppers...extra chromosomes. Sorry hommie. Sad, true...offensive- maybe, but, hey...I'm just stating a fucking fact.
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Just for clarification, are we discussing history of MA in sporting ventures or in pure combat?Comment
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Either is fineComment
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. . . . and a young boy hid his ninja pajamas, choose the moniker homoplata, and ever since has attached himself firmly to the Gracie's nuts.Originally posted by OmaPlata View PostComment
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Alright let's not turn this thread into a flame war, can we be mature adults and have a valid discussion?
Anyways, on to the topic at hand....
I think alot of Mike's points on the history of MA were very sound. I always kind of had theories similar to that.
Personally I think that alot of what was passed down over time was what was developed to establish tribal dominancy in the times before modernization of the arts. You see alot of the "family" or a blood lineage attached to the ancient fighting arts especially in eastern society. Could this have been that as Male's acquired refined combat skills they were able to establish themselves as the alpha male of the tribe? Then they would pass on the arts and continue to refine them with their children allowing their family to maintain dominance and to carry on a heritage of warrior skill. Eventually I believe this lead to inter-tribal rivalries and the widespread teaching of the combat arts to once again improve the positions of power for the ruling house/family/king.
I guess there is no way of truly knowing, but that is more or less my theory on it. I believe the sense of family and the quest for power would have been part of the driving force in passing on the arts and refining there techniques in the days of early man...Comment
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This site is pretty interesting, it sounds decent but I'm not sure how reliable it is. When I have more time I'll see what else I can dig up.
Fighting with fists was a sport about 6,000 years ago in what is now known as Ethiopia, from where it spread to ancient Egypt and eventually throughout the Mediterranean area. Ancient Crete also had a boxing-like sport, which probably developed independently, about 1,500 B.C.
Although the sport wasn't added to the ancient Olympic program until 688 B.C., some sort of boxing had become pretty well established among the Greeks before that time. In one form of Greek boxing, the two combatants simply sat on stones facing and pounded away at one another until one of them was knocked out.
Boxing in the Olympics wasn't quite that brutal, but there were no breaks in the action. Fighters wore leather thongs, originally to protect their hands and wrists. As time went on, harder leather was used, turning the thongs into weapons.
The Romans added iron or brass studs, creating the cestus, which could be a deadly weapon. Then they went even farther, developing a cruel, spur-like instrument of bronze, called the myrmex ("limb piercer"). Boxing in the Roman Empire was not so much a sport as a bloody amusement for spectators, like the gladiatorial contests, with slaves pitted against one another in a fight to the death.
The myrmex was finally abolished and boxing itself was banned by Rome about 30 B.C. The Romans had made one small contribution to the sport: They invented the ring, originally a simple marked circle.
The idea of a guy with George Foreman's power wearing a cestus is an ungodly nightmare
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Wow , glad this thread has gotten some interest now. And most of it is actually well thought out comment.
I checked out the "Bartitsu" WildWest mentioned and learned that the founder was actually one of the first to hold official MMA contest way back before TV.
I like the sociological point of G-J's thread and the psychological direction Mike's last graph moves us toward as well.
I think we're actually getting somewhere.Comment
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Name a fighting style that has, does, is, or continues to win and help dominate MMA more than any other style 50 times over, and Ill hugg thier nuts tooOriginally posted by medic06 View PostComment
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To each their own...I don't underestimate the effectiveness of grappling in a one on one fight with no weapons...but still...this is how some of us view grappling only matches;Originally posted by OmaPlata View Post
(um...EW!)
maybe I'd focus on grappling only...if I'm hella drunk...and I'd feel guilty after...maybe even leap off of a big building, or just continue drinking until I eventually forget.Comment
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That Turkish wrestling is something else....Comment
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If youre reffering to BJJ, it dont dominate any more, sorry. Its something you do need to know though.........along with Muay Thai and Wrestling.Originally posted by OmaPlata View PostComment
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