The latest on Tyson vs. Fujita!

[Goddess]

How did this rumor get started???

Anyways--- I think many underestimate the abiltiy of an elite caliber boxer.

Tyson V. Golota: Golota remained hospitalized Sunday in Chicago for a variety of injuries, including a concussion, fractured left cheek bone and a herniated disk that's causing numbness in his left side, according to Wesley Yapor, the neurologist treating Golota at Resurrection Medical Center.

"I'll shoot in, take him down, and do the 'ole ground-n-pound."

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm...........yeah.

::: Goddess :::

[Ronin]

Goddess:

Landing that punch before going down is the hard part. It is the reason why I switched to grappling.

And Tim, Tyson may be able to take punishment, but that doesn't mean he can do anything to hurt Fujita on the ground unless Fuj gasses out. And he can't escape the bottom. Fujita is too good a wrestler.

I don't think the caliber of striker really matters unless he can grapple as well. Fuj by boring decision.

I don't see the fight happening.

[Goddess]

I agree

Ronin,

I see your point; "Landing that punch before going down is the hard part."

However, I think it is an oversight to dismiss his punching power going down. Also - Tyson easliy has KO capability from the bottom.

IMO

::: Goddess :::

P.S.
I think it would be hard (impossible) for most of us to fathom the talent, and power of a fighter such as Tyson.

[Edited by Goddess on 02-23-2001 at 12:36 AM]

[Goddess]

Art Jimmerson -- Boxer ?!!

His pro boxing record:

April 3, 1998: Knocked out in the third round by Dale Brown.
December 6, 1997: Stopped in the second round by Vassiliy Jirov.
April 12, 1997: Stopped in the first round by Terry Dunstan.

Not quite at the level as Tyson; close, but no cigar.

Tyson's record:

January 29, 2000: Stopped Julius Francis in the second round.
October 23, 1999: This fight against Orlin Norris ended in a no-contest after the first round.
January 16, 1999: Knocked out Frans Botha in the fifth round.
June 28, 1997: Lost this fight against Evander Holyfield by disqualification in the third round.
November 9, 1996: Stopped in the eleventh round by Evander Holyfield losing the WBA Heavyweight Championship.
September 7, 1996: Stopped Bruce Seldon in the first round to win the WBA Heavyweight Championship.
March 19, 1996: Knocked out Frank Bruno in the third round to win the WBC Heavyweight Championship.
December 16, 1995: Stopped Buster Mathis Jr. in the third round.
August 19, 1995: Stopped Peter McNeeley in the first round
June 28, 1991: Won a twelve round decision over Razor Ruddock.
March 18, 1991: Stopped Razor Ruddock in the seventh round.
December 8, 1990: Stopped Alex Stewart in the first round
June 16, 1990: Stopped Henry Tillman in the first round
February 11, 1990: Knocked out by Buster Douglas in the tenth round to lose the undisputed Heavyweight title.
July 21, 1989: Stopped Carl Williams in the first round
February 25, 1989: Stopped Frank Bruno in the fifth round
June 27, 1988: Stopped Michael Spinks in the first round
March 21, 1988: Stopped Tony Tubbs in the second round
January 22, 1988: Stopped Larry Holmes in the fourth round
October 16, 1987: Stopped Tyrell Biggs in the seventh round
August 1, 1987: Won a twelve round decision over Tony Tucker.
May 30, 1987: Stopped Pinklon Thomas in the sixth round
March 7, 1987: Awarded a twelve round decision over James Smith to win the WBA Heavyweight title.
November 22, 1986: Stopped Trevor Berbick in the second round to win the WBC Heavyweight title.
September 6, 1986: Stopped Alfonzo Ratliff in the second round
August 17, 1986: Stopped Jose Ribalta in the tenth round
July 26, 1986: Stopped Marvis Frazier in the first round
July 11, 1986: Stopped Lorenzo Boyd in the second round
June 29, 1986: Stopped William Hosea in the first round
June 13, 1986: Stopped Reggie Gross in the first round
May 20, 1986: Won a ten round decision over Mitch Green
May 3, 1986: Won a ten round decision over James Tillis
March 10, 1986: Stopped Steve Zouski in the third round
February 16, 1986: Stopped Jesse Ferguson in the sixth round
January 24, 1986: Stopped Mike Jameson in the fifth round
January 10, 1986: Stopped Dave Jaco in the first round
December 27, 1985: Stopped Mark Young in the first round
December 6, 1985: Stopped Sammy Scoff in the first round
November 22, 1985: Stopped Conroy Nelson in the second round
November 13, 1985: Stopped Eddie Richardson in the first round
November 2, 1985: Stopped Sterling Benjamin in the first round
October 25, 1985: Stopped Robert Colay in the first round
October 9, 1985: Stopped Donnie Long in the first round
September 5, 1985: Stopped Michael Johnson in the first round
August 15, 1985: Stopped Lorenzo Canady in the first round
July 17, 1985: Stopped Larry Sims in the third round
July 11, 1985: Stopped John Alderson in the second round
June 20, 1985: Stopped Rick Spain in the first round
May 23, 1985: Stopped Don Halpin in the fourth round
April 10, 1985: Stopped Trenton Singleton in the first round
March 23, 1985: Stopped Hector Mercedes in the first round





[Edited by Goddess on 02-23-2001 at 01:10 AM]

[E1am]

Goddess, this is more than just a rumor. It is being reported in the Japanese media as if it were going to happen. I'm talking front page of the sports news papers.

[Zeke]

I don't think the Tyson-Fujita fight will ever happen, unless Tyson eventually goes broke and just needs money. That could happen, it happened to Leon Spinks and others. Spinks lost a NHB fight in Japan I believe, but at the time Spinks was getting knocked out in the early rounds by novice boxers. I don't think that Tyson would be helpless if taken down, he has tremendous strength. He won't do any advanced wrestling moves or submit Fujita, but he might be able to anti-grapple like Igor and get to his feet. When I think of what Igor can do with his punching ability, I have to think that if Tyson is serious about NHB, he might take NHB to another level. There is no comparison between Tyson's punching ability and anyone else who has competed NHB.

[Mickey Finn]

Wow. This would be interesting. Probably draw bigger than Rickson vs. Sak, which will also probably never happen. If the 30 million number being thrown about is true… that’s a big carrot. Is that winner take all??

It has to be with NHB style gloves or it’s ridiculous. I have seen some things in print in the past that indicate that Tyson is an NHB fan. He may not be a brain surgeon, but I don’t see him stepping into legitimate NHB without getting some groundwork in. He’s not that dumb. He’s seen what goes on in NHB; he wouldn’t come into this thinking he’ll never hit the ground. Unless he’s getting paid big $$$ to fight a work. I’m not saying that he is going to be an elite grappler or anything but I’m sure we will have learned some basic “don’ts” before this myth occurs.

Maybe we’ll finally settle the argument about strikers biting and eye gouging grapplers on the ground. I think a nice red would go well with Fujita… although perhaps a white would be less filling.

[sakattack]

If this is real, Tyson definitely has more of chance than people think. I agree with Goddess. Tyson's punching ability is one of the best in the history of boxing for heavyweights (or any weight class).

And Fujita has shown that he can be hit (Glamrock, Kerr, and even Nyman (spelling?)). Fujita will have really cover up and get a clean shoot.

[sccr06]

I don't think it is a much of a question of "can Tyson inflict damage from the bottom" as it is one of whether or not he will panic when put on the bottom.

If he doesn't train for the bottom I thik he will get spanked. Look at Randleman. He is a grappler and against Couture it was painfully obvious how helpless he was on his back. I dont think Tyson will fare much better.

By the way, Art Jimmerson fought Royce, the boxer that Americana was thinking of was Melton Bowen vs. Steve Jennum.

[Steed]

Jesus H. Christ on ice and Mary in the penalty box... I almost spit out my pint reading some of these explanations about how Tyson is going to prevail due to his punching power "from the bottom."

That's a gobber, that one is. Lord, how I miss the glory days of the old UFCs when elite boxers would KO their opponents... while mounted. Hmmm... can't quite remember the bloke's name... it'll come to me.

And I'm telling you that the moment that onion head puts an arm up, it's going to get broken off and used to poke him in the eye! That's if the bloke is even LUCKY enough to get top-mounted!

Lord help him if he gives up his back--he will after Fujita pounds him so hard, his parents will fall out of bed. Kind of hard to punch the guy mounted on your back, innit?

Maybe Fujita will let him up so he can stagger off, oblivious, in the other direction, like he did in the first Holyfield fight, looking for Mommie...

Then for our amusement Fujita can lasso him and mercifully end it by pile-driving Tyson into page eight in the sports section! It won't even be a full story--it'll be a blurb, accompanied by a photo of Tyson with little Tweety Birds flying around his dazed mug, while pancaked in the center of the ring... saying:

"It's twoo what they say about Asian gwapplers! It's twoo!"

[PunchDrunk]

Domingo said: "Anyone think it's funny that Fujita might be the only guy in NHB who could actually take a decent shot from Tyson and not have his lights turned out?"

WTF? Shamrock rocked Fujita and was dominating him with punches. Tyson will knock Fujita out cold.

Tyson can do damage from the bottom with rabbit punches. But if he has to wear boxing gloves, it is not a real fight.

So Steed, I take it you don't like Tyson. Suprising, since he speaks so highly of you.

Guess you'll hate him even more after he takes Lewis's head off.

[Tony10]

I don't think Steed likes anybody, that limey punk.

[Steed]

Put a sock in it, Tony10.

Punchdrunk, you're bloody right I don't like Tyson. Everytime that moron shows up to represent boxing, everybody wants to take a shower afterward.

I'm trying to codger what's the most daft thing about that sorry nipple... but there's too many! Maybe it's his pre-school IQ, although I don't want to insult any pre-schoolers out there! Maybe it's his steady diet of tomato cans since Holyfield knocked him silly in Vegas, before Mills Lane stepped in and saved his staggering arse, like Marlon Perkins saving some stray donkey in Wild Kingdom, while the rest of us watched from the helicopter. Maybe it's his refusal to piss off, and do the sport a favor now that he's managed to soil it with his sorry stink.

So what better sendoff than your Tyson bloke, wearing 16-oz red gloves--and hopefully a big, red oversized bow tie to complete to clown costume--being mounted and beaten into the bloody Orient by Fujita!

You've got to be pissing me about Lennox Lewis, by the way. Tyson gets pimp-slapped by that geezer Holyfield--and he was YOUNGER then--but somehow he's gonna step up and hand Lewis his arse? Lewis, if they ever fight, is going to make an example out of that f***ing knob and keep Britain's boxing crown intact. We've got Lewis, and we've got Naz. You can have Tyson!

[thekuntawman]

why does everybody think tyson only knows to box? mike tyson is a street thug in the ring, believe me, he got more tricks we didnt see because of the rule in the ring.

plus, to take him down, you have to take his punch. i didnt see this japanese guy, but i dont think he will take a tyson punch to well.

[Goddess]

the glory days of the old UFCs when elite boxers would KO their opponents

what elite boxers????

::: Goddess :::