The latest on Tyson vs. Fujita!

[Karlinhos]

JG,

made it all up?!?!?!?! WHAT...????!!!!!!!!

BASTID!!!

(lol)

[judo guy]

Karlinhos,

Geez, I wasn't even being subtle about it. Read the names of the people. Cho Kyu (choke you), Jokon Yu (Joke on You) and Hyam Kidden (I am kidding).

First hint that a story is bogus is when the brother, sister, aunt, uncle or cousin of a friend is the source of the tale.

I thought the part about the rules allowing for biting was a bit over the top, but I guess not.

Well, thanks for helping me pass the time on this rainy Saturday!

PS,

You forgot to respond on my thread What do you find more exciting watching a woman wrestle or seeing her box.

[Karlinhos]

did i fail to mention... BASTID! (lol)

i thought the biting thing was a joke, but the rest... (damn it)

excuse me... i need to go take my geritol.

[Zeke]

Bowen was not a top boxer at the time he fought Jennum and never really was a top boxer. Fringe contender Shannon Briggs knocked him out in 26 seconds before the Jennum fight. Bowen had a decent amateur career, but never beat a decent pro. The UFC tried to make everyone who had ever boxed, a boxer, especially if the person was going to lose. They called Sam Atkins a boxer, his pro recored is terrible, something like 5-13. They did not call Don Frye a boxer, I don't know what his pro record was but he had pro fights. Any pro boxer who enters a tournament where the top prize is $50,000 is certainly not on the top of the boxing game. That fighter either has no hope in boxing, is washed up and in debt, has a drug problem, etc.

[Newbie]

Zeke
"Fringe contender Shannon Briggs knocked him out in 26 seconds before the Jennum fight."

I saw that match. It was several years AFTER the Jennum match.

"The UFC tried to make everyone who had ever boxed, a boxer, especially if the person was going to lose. They called Sam Atkins a boxer"

What else were they going to call him? He did a little bit of wrestling in High School and was a professional boxer, admittedly nowhere near top ranked. I believe he was 6-3 as a professional boxer at the time he first competed in the Ultimate Fighting Championship. The only alternative would have been to make up a name like Pitfighting for his style.

"Any pro boxer who enters a tournament where the top prize is $50,000 is certainly not on the top of the boxing game."

A tiny, tiny, tiny handful of professional boxers make serious money in the sport. Most of them are heavyweights. Unless you headline on a pay-per-view event, you don't make all that much money.

[Redneck]

Judo Guy,
That was some funny stuff. Im surprised you had to tell people you were making it up

Cho kyu =Choke You

LOL!

[Zeke]

Newbie, you might be right about Briggs-Bowen, I don't have a Boxing Record Book newer than 1994. You are not right about Sam Adkins' record. As of 09-05-1993, his record was 2-7. He had been knocked out 3 times(Jorge Gonzalez, Lionel Butler, and Rocky Pepeli), he had knocked out 1 opponent(Chappy Levine). His wrestling background had to be more impressive than his boxing career. Bowen had been beaten 5 times by the end of 1993, including being knocked out in his last two fights. He had been knocked out in all five of his loses, the loses were to Tim Fryerson, Carl Williams, Loren Ross, Jimmy Thunder, and Craig Payne. Bowen was never a top 15 heavyweight. I know that most boxers don't make big money, but any decent HyWt. can make over $50,000. By the way, Lamar Clark has an unimpressive record in boxing also. He was knocked out by Charles Brewer in two his last fight and his overall record in about 12-10. Do you have any idea how Don Frye did as a boxer? I have never been able to find his record. Art Jimmerson's record as of 1-9-94 was 30-6, he had not beaten any recognizable names, he had lost to Manuel Murillo(KOBY7), Jeff Harding and Dennis Andries by decision, Andrew Maynard (KO3) and Orlin Norris (KO3). He had also lost once by disqualification. There has not been a legitimate, top 25 boxer in a NHB contest.

[whodashoe]

Coleman deserves it, not fujita. Or steve Jennum of course.

[Pit Dog]

LOL

First of all, LOL @ Judo Guy

Second, I agree w/ Qkfx's post. Tyson is a natural to learn anti-grappling.

But, really, the bottom line is it is impossible to predict "who would win," because so much is in question as to Tyson's knowledge of grappling and anti-grappling, which is precisely what the fight's outcome hinges on.

Sure, we all know that Tyson would kill Fujita if this fight comes down to strikes, but this begs the question ... does Tyson know enough about grappling to be able TO USE his strikes?

If the answer is yes, Tyson wins easily and brutally. If the answer is no, then Tyson's lack of roundedness should be exploited and he should be submitted rather easily.

This is where Tim's and Goddess' statements come in: Tyson can still be formidible from his back, or hard to take down at all, just based on his abilities as a boxer. The closest comparison would be the already-mentioned Jennum x Bowen match-up. But while Tim is correct Bowen is no Tyson, the flipside to this is it is equally true Jennum is no Fujita - a point that bears serious consideration in predicting an outcome.

(BTW, nice to see you post Tim ).

Anyway, rumors and Judo Guy-humor aside, if this fight indeed does materialize, Tyson would be a complete idiot to use 16-oz gloves, and the promoters would have to be idiots to suggest it, because not only would it take away Tyson's primary weapons, it would thus "soften" the very intrigue and drama of the potential match-up.

If Tyson truly is practicing grappling and anti-grappling with someone like Mark Kerr, as well as submissions with anyone of accomplishment, then I would bet the farm he will murder Fujita in a true match-up. But if he goes in there w/ no training and 16-oz gloves, then forget about it, because it would be a non-fight of no significance.

[Aloha From Hell]

I'll sum up Pit's rather long-winded post. What he's saying is: anything could happen.

Thanks for the insight!

LMAO.

[Pit Dog]

LOL, well, funny as your post was ... that's not a summary of what I said. Here's the abridged edition:

Since we do not know how much or how little Tyson has been practicing grappling, we cannot know how much of a chance he has.

But, if he's grappled for any length of time at all on the side, I think he'll ice Fujita. If not, he has a puncher's chance, but Fujita should get a fairly easy sub.

Thanks for brevity.

Aloha.

[Rob B]

Does anyone remember the boxer that Renzo beat in the finals of the first WCC. I think his name was James Warring; wasn't he a contender or even a champion in the Cruiser Weights?

[Pit Dog]

James Warring was a former cruiserweight titleholder.

He (interstingly) couldn't compete in boxing anymore (too old and unskilled), yet he decimated an undefeated #1 contender in kickboxing in that same show (I forget his name).

What makes Warring different from Tyson as a NHB fighter IMO is his body and boxing style. Warring was tall and lanky, and fired long straight shots ... whereas Tyson is short and stocky and fires hooks and uppercuts in tight.

IMO, Tyson's body type and style are much more conducive to NHB fighting that Warring's. Warring is like Mo Smith, whom I respect but never really thought too much of as a formidable puncher. Maybe he was as a "kickboxer", but he was mediocre at best as a boxer. Tyson, OTOH, is the cream of the crop as a puncher and has a much tougher body type and style to shoot in on as one. He would be like a supercharged Vovchonchin IMO, with a much more devastating punch, in addition to better speed and timing.

[Zeke]

I was in Winston-Salem for that fight. Warring beat two guys before the Gracie fight, one was Eric Paulson. Warring was too much on his feet for anyone there even though he was washed up as a boxer. He was lost on the ground, and his body type made it difficult for him to anti-grapple and get to his feet. He was about 6-4, and 190 pounds. This was back in the days when the Gracies were the only ones who knew much about how to fight on the ground.

[Ronin]

Incidentally, Warring had some karate experience (black belt?) and fought more like a kickboxer, using side-kicks and a hammer-fist to ice his first opponent.

In the Paulsen fight he slung Eric around by his pony-tail. Not a lot of classic boxing.

Renzo smoked him quick.

I guess my point is that Warring wasn't a good representative of "boxing" since he didn't box much.

The best "boxers" I've seen in MMA are Don Frye, LaVerne Clark, and Melton Bowen, who are all admittedly mediocre boxers. How a real boxer would do in MMA remains a mystery.