Liddell/Rampage 2 confirmed for May 26

[dizzyboy]

I am going with my mind. Rampage is just a bad matchup for Chuck. Everything Chuck does well Rampage is probably second or third best at in the world at.imo I will be rooting for Chuck but won’t be sad if Rampage loses.

[J-Luck]

Mainly...I would agree with the fact that b/c Chuck has been a dominant champion for so long, and avenged all previous losses, he's going to be confident going in.

But Rampage is not a brawling reckless striker. He actually covers up and protects himself better than the majority of MMA fighters. He's very technically sound...hell, Chuck is the guy who has more of a brawling style.

And Chuck isn't likely to submit Rampage...he's powered out of subs from Arona, Ninja, Sakuraba, etc. Hell, he turned the tables on a good triangle choke from Arona with his slam.

Chuck does have good TD defense, but last time, Rampage outstruck him, then used it to set up take downs.
And Chuck also gassed the last time they fought, though I'm sure the punches and knees to the body didn't help him much.

I still don't know who'll win, simply b/c Chuck always has the puncher's chance with the one good punch we know he's going for...except you can't call it a puncher's "chance" when he's done it over and over again. But stylistically, I think Rampage has his number, just like I think Wand had a good chance of beating Chuck. I also want them to throw Sokoudjou at him as well.

Well, I agree with everything you said that was in my post.

I don't agree with Chuck and Rampage's striking atyle as far as your analysis. I feel Chuck, while SEEMING to be a brawler, is far from it. He's merely an unorthodox counter puncher. And while Rampage is technically sound, he's still a brawler.

How can I make this statement? Hell, they called Liston and Foreman brawlers, and technically they had skills.

I think Chuck could submit him, I don't think it's likely, but certainly possible. I've know people who train with him and claim he has fantastic jiu-jitsu, and while Rampage powers out of alot of submissions, I don't think he would be expecting it from Chuck.

Again, I said Rampage could take him down, and prob will at some point. But I think that Chuck will stuff most of the takedowns and get up when taken down(like he did last time).

Ehhh, I just don't see Chuck being beaten, even though it's entirely possible.

Not sure Wandi would beat him, but I like his chances against Chuck better than Rampages.

[J-Luck]

Yeah, his fight with Eastman was impressive IMO. Most noobs think it was a poor performance for Rampage.... Eastman is 5 foot 8, ripped at 205 he is built like a tank and is a legit kickboxer/muay thai guy, as well as an accomplished wrestler.

the reason the ufc had Rampage fight Eastman was because that fight was gonna be the main event on the seconds WFA card, before UFC bought them out.

Yea def man. Eastman is a beast no matter how you cut it. I mean, he could easily be a contender in the UFC.

[J-Luck]

Chuck wont submit Rampage. When Chuck is on bottom, his goal is stand up. Simple as that.

I think Chuck has worse stamina than Rampage. Ive seen Rampage go to decisions(recently, Lindland, Dong Sik Yoon) and he's still kept the pace up. Liddell i havent seen go to a decision, cause he finishes the fight pretty early.
Dont forget that Chuck has most likely been using pain killers, that shit can play a factor.

Naaa, don't think that way man. Remember, Chuck actively trains jiu-jitsu and is good at it. If Rampage keeps him on his back(a plausible scenerio), then Chuck may see a sub attempt as a good option. Like I said, he could be the first guy Chuck attempts, or succeeds in submitting.

Irrelevant. The way you train is relevant. He trains for full fights, and by all accounts doesn't gas easily SINCE the last Rampage fight.

Why would he be using pain killers? And it wasn't a factor for Babalu or Tito.

[J-Luck]

Chuck's more of the brawler then Rampage... Rampage keeps his arms tucked in and what's for the right time to strike, when Chuck gets the chance he swings his arms like a mad animal, Chucks alot more wild then pageIMO..




All of Chucks losses were on the ground, 2/3 of those losed he was on his back... If Rampage got him down I'd say Chuck would just try to stand back up instead of going for a sub




Exactly, Rampage took his and waited for the right moment... Eastman can be explosive at times so I think he did the right think.

Again, as in the other response, Chuck is a counter puncher. The appearance of a brawler is not the same as being one. He is a very technical striker.

Not sure I'd fully count the Jeremy Horn fight. Too long ago, and his MMA/jiu-jitsu knowledge was sooooooo limited in comparison to what it is now. It's almost not worth speakin on. Not to mention it WAS Jeremy Horn. I think this could be the first fight we see Chuck work his jiu-jitsu game.

[bigred389]

Well, I agree with everything you said that was in my post.

I don't agree with Chuck and Rampage's striking atyle as far as your analysis. I feel Chuck, while SEEMING to be a brawler, is far from it. He's merely an unorthodox counter puncher. And while Rampage is technically sound, he's still a brawler.

How can I make this statement? Hell, they called Liston and Foreman brawlers, and technically they had skills.

I think Chuck could submit him, I don't think it's likely, but certainly possible. I've know people who train with him and claim he has fantastic jiu-jitsu, and while Rampage powers out of alot of submissions, I don't think he would be expecting it from Chuck.

Again, I said Rampage could take him down, and prob will at some point. But I think that Chuck will stuff most of the takedowns and get up when taken down(like he did last time).

Ehhh, I just don't see Chuck being beaten, even though it's entirely possible.

Not sure Wandi would beat him, but I like his chances against Chuck better than Rampages.

Fair enough...I think a lot of inside fighters get classified incorrectly as brawlers. Rampage protects himself well and picks his moments to explode, which is why the "brawler" label doesn't sit right with me.

After the last few fights, it wouldn't completely surprise me if Chuck got a submission.

And yeah, I said it before, but I think Chuck will have an easier time surviving on the ground this time. Cage to help pull himself up, no knees on the ground for Rampage, etc.

Still...Rampage was beating Chuck standing up. And neither have really changed fudamentally in styles.
So I think ultimately it's really a question of whether or not Chuck was really badly injured going in as White claims. And whether or not Rampage is "ready" for a championship fight.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Why would he be using pain killers? And it wasn't a factor for Babalu or Tito.

Dude, liddell has had pretty bad injuries in the past year, i wouldnt doubt that his docter prescribed him a good amount Oxycodone or something. He went on a talk show in Dallas and he was slurring his words and was draped to the side exactly how someone on Pain killers (opiate pills) does. they said he had been partying all night and was on cough medicine. think what you want to think about that(doesnt really matter, im sure Liddell will come out strong no matter what), its not like his trainer is gonna confirm that.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Liddell has a pretty wild striking style, but he's not really a brawler.

Rampage moves forward always and doesnt mind gettng into the clinch, where as Chuck is the opposite.

Both dont mind getting hit.

[J-Luck]

Liddell has a pretty wild striking style, but he's not really a brawler.

Rampage moves forward always and doesnt mind gettng into the clinch, where as Chuck is the opposite.

Both dont mind getting hit.

I agree, he's the opposite, in fact.

[J-Luck]

Dude, liddell has had pretty bad injuries in the past year, i wouldnt doubt that his docter prescribed him a good amount Oxycodone or something. He went on a talk show in Dallas and he was slurring his words and was draped to the side exactly how someone on Pain killers (opiate pills) does. they said he had been partying all night and was on cough medicine. think what you want to think about that(doesnt really matter, im sure Liddell will come out strong no matter what), its not like his trainer is gonna confirm that.

I don't know, Chuck is a pretty wild party cat, some sources have said one of the reasons he can't get a full 6 pack is due to all the liquor(not sure of the accuracy of this statement).

I'm not sure he's always on pain killers. I know he's had somewhat bad injuries, but I wouldn't say anything to the level to need constant painkillers. Your judgement of his behavior is highly subjective.

[J-Luck]

Fair enough...I think a lot of inside fighters get classified incorrectly as brawlers. Rampage protects himself well and picks his moments to explode, which is why the "brawler" label doesn't sit right with me.

After the last few fights, it wouldn't completely surprise me if Chuck got a submission.

And yeah, I said it before, but I think Chuck will have an easier time surviving on the ground this time. Cage to help pull himself up, no knees on the ground for Rampage, etc.

Still...Rampage was beating Chuck standing up. And neither have really changed fudamentally in styles.
So I think ultimately it's really a question of whether or not Chuck was really badly injured going in as White claims. And whether or not Rampage is "ready" for a championship fight.

True dat. I think he's ready. I also think Chuck probably was injured, but not as bad as White claimed.