Who likes leglocks???

[Tant01]

Anyone here find knee locks useful?

Ankle locks? Toe holds?

Anyone???

Tell me why or why not and how you set them up? (If you set them up?) Or do you use them to set up chokes or arm locks...Thanks kindly in advance




Lets roll

[Tom Yum]

I do.

I'm far from an expert grappler though, so you may be able to improve on what I'm saying, tant.

I'll try to go for an ankle lock right after a successful single leg, since it doesn't take much more work to secure. Sometimes I will go for an ankle lock, when I am trying to pass guard but am unable to do so or I will act like I am trying to pass guard and go for an ankle lock.

I like to go for knee-bars in any position where an opponent is trying to take my back, but doesn't have his hooks sunk in. I was rolling with a larger, stronger n00b a while back whom was trying to toss me around; I hooked his leg when he tried to pick me up from behind and rolled into a knee bar. Good to know the technique works.

[danjuandesiga]

I was asked by Tim to run the 1st JKD class for him earlier tonight and we worked alot on setting up the leg locks starting with the achilles tendon ankle lock from the round kick to the body feed using the Shooto "Catch A and Catch B" set-ups. Back in the days before the old Dairy Ashford location, we worked on alot of the Shooto wrestling(pre-CSW era) leg locks and flows including lockflows for the rest of the body limbs and joints. It was a fun class and the rest of the class seemed to enjoy the lessons.

[Tant01]

I was asked by Tim to run the 1st JKD class for him earlier tonight and we worked alot on setting up the leg locks starting with the achilles tendon ankle lock from the round kick to the body feed using the Shooto "Catch A and Catch B" set-ups. Back in the days before the old Dairy Ashford location, we worked on alot of the Shooto wrestling(pre-CSW era) leg locks and flows including lockflows for the rest of the body limbs and joints. It was a fun class and the rest of the class seemed to enjoy the lessons.

Awesome... That's what I'm talking about.

Thanks!

[JkD187]

Anyone here find knee locks useful?

Ankle locks? Toe holds?

Anyone???

Tell me why or why not and how you set them up? (If you set them up?) Or do you use them to set up chokes or arm locks...Thanks kindly in advance




Lets roll

Im a big fan of leg locks...except the achilles lock IMO its way to easy to defend..all you have to do is point your your toes and ankle to the right and straighten it out then work on freeing your leg.Leg locks that i do favor are the heel hook,the inverted heel hook,the toe hold,Kneebar.

[danjuandesiga]

Can you DIG IT!

Reverse figure-4 toe hold knee crank. My 1st ever submission grappling match in the early half of the mid-90s with a Judo guy named Hank. Real nice guy with a strong Judo background. Right in the first 5 seconds of the match, I made the first move and maintained the initiative. I dove my lower-body and 'scissored-in" up in on his upper-body for an attempted flying armbar and almost had the armbar until Hank managed to get his elbow out of my leverage range once on the floor, so the next nearest target in my line of sight was his foot on the floor... This happened at a tournament in Austin Texas that was known as the "No Games" with various divisions of matches from amateur full contact kickboxing with knees and leg kicks,informal Kendo-style bamboo sword matches, to the submission grappling divisions where Tim Mousel's team(which I was part of) at that year had 'cleaned-house' through most of the grappling divisions from lightweight to super heavy and experience level.

[Tant01]

........Nice!

[slayer31]

knee bar when someone is trying to take your back.... you roll right into it and look like a pro when they are sayin uncle.

[Tant01]

Can you DIG IT!

Reverse figure-4 toe hold knee crank. ......

Looks a lot like Judo to me... ASHI-DORI-GARAMI

Entangled leg dislocation. Thanks again, that clip is sweet!

[Tim McFatridge]

Im a big fan of leg locks...except the achilles lock IMO its way to easy to defend..all you have to do is point your your toes and ankle to the right and straighten it out then work on freeing your leg.Leg locks that i do favor are the heel hook,the inverted heel hook,the toe hold,Kneebar.

JkD187,

You need to work on your achilles lock flow then brother...when you have your opponent in a standard or basic achilles lock and he starts to point his toes or straighten his foot then this is when you go to your bicep pull, can opener (or heel toe) then right into your heel hook. Or you can even switch his foot to the other side. I will explain the above locks the best I can.
Start in the basic achilles lock with his foot under your right arm...so it is on your right side.

He goes to straighten his foot or tries to counter---you will take your left arm and slide it under his right foot/ankle and grab your right bicep with your left hand and bring your right hand up like you are flexing your bicep muscle. Be sure to squeeze and stick your chest out as you do to create more pain. This is very painful....

then as he tries to pull his foot out you can then slide your right elbow on top of his right foot/toes and make sure you have a chain grip as you lift up with your left wrist and push down with your right elbow for a reverse achilles lock.

Then as he tries to counter this you simply take your arm and wrap his heel for a heel hook and roll to your left shoulder as you throw your right leg over his right leg and place your left foot under his right leg against his butt. This will prevent him from rolling over. Be sure to squeeze with your legs and to stretch or arch your body back for the pain.

Again this is a lock flow for you to work on. I have found that when ever I have the achilles lock and they are fighting it that the bicep pull works really fast. Also, if you have them in a achilles lock and they try to counter you can also pass their foot to your left arm to counter there counter.

[Tim McFatridge]

I love leg locks...I just did a four hour MMA seminar in Arkansas City, Kansas and we worked leg locks for the majority of the seminar. I showed the different set ups and leg lock submissions as well as several counters. I really like working the legs when in the cross body as well as the guard. When you have your opponent in the guard and he stands to stack you you can reach down wrap his leg in either "Catch A or Catch B" and release the guard...then shoot either leg thru his and wrap your other leg around his for the takedown and submission.


I know that is hard to explain so I will try to post a video of me doing this.

Also, from crossbody you can simply reach down and grab his near leg (your hand is already there)...grabbing the inside of his foot and pull it up towards his butt and this is a really painful knee lock.

[Tant01]

Right on!

I love leg locks...I just did a four hour MMA seminar in Arkansas City, Kansas and we worked leg locks for the majority of the seminar. I showed the different set ups and leg lock submissions as well as several counters. I really like working the legs when in the cross body as well as the guard. When you have your opponent in the guard and he stands to stack you you can reach down wrap his leg in either "Catch A or Catch B" and release the guard...then shoot either leg thru his and wrap your other leg around his for the takedown and submission.


I know that is hard to explain so I will try to post a video of me doing this.

Also, from crossbody you can simply reach down and grab his near leg (your hand is already there)...grabbing the inside of his foot and pull it up towards his butt and this is a really painful knee lock.

That would be awesome.

I was fortunate to have a Judo coach that liked leg attacks. He was fond of anything illegal in randori (atemi) and always wanted us to be aware of the potential for hitting (ground and pound)

danjuandesiga will DIG THIS>>> Coach always said the best way to beat a judo player was with a leglock!

Love it guys! Thanks kindly for sharing all the input!


(edit to add)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6uK2Wl0RWI

A couple of (Sambo style) leg locks.

real nice hiza hishigi... Knee dislocation

[cakegirl]

If you're ever in LA, hook up a private lesson with Rener Gracie!

[cakegirl]

I saw a nice leg lock at a no-gi tournament in Sydney on Saturday. In an advanced division, the guy opened the other guy's guard, and instead of going for the pass, dove through the legs and over the body for the leg lock. Nice!!!

[JkD187]

JkD187,

You need to work on your achilles lock flow then brother...when you have your opponent in a standard or basic achilles lock and he starts to point his toes or straighten his foot then this is when you go to your bicep pull, can opener (or heel toe) then right into your heel hook. Or you can even switch his foot to the other side. I will explain the above locks the best I can.
Start in the basic achilles lock with his foot under your right arm...so it is on your right side.

He goes to straighten his foot or tries to counter---you will take your left arm and slide it under his right foot/ankle and grab your right bicep with your left hand and bring your right hand up like you are flexing your bicep muscle. Be sure to squeeze and stick your chest out as you do to create more pain. This is very painful....

then as he tries to pull his foot out you can then slide your right elbow on top of his right foot/toes and make sure you have a chain grip as you lift up with your left wrist and push down with your right elbow for a reverse achilles lock.

Then as he tries to counter this you simply take your arm and wrap his heel for a heel hook and roll to your left shoulder as you throw your right leg over his right leg and place your left foot under his right leg against his butt. This will prevent him from rolling over. Be sure to squeeze with your legs and to stretch or arch your body back for the pain.

Again this is a lock flow for you to work on. I have found that when ever I have the achilles lock and they are fighting it that the bicep pull works really fast. Also, if you have them in a achilles lock and they try to counter you can also pass their foot to your left arm to counter there counter.

Those are def some good points...however its much easier said then done...for me ive never been tapped by an achiles lock even by BJJ blackbelts its just really to easy to escape from however i have been submitted countless times by other leg locks just never a straight ankle lock.