Lewis will destroy Tyson

[canadaman]

All I remember is that Lennox won Canada a gold medal beating who????

Riddick Bowe

[fil]

Lewis was born in England, his family is from Jamaica but he grew up in Canada.

Lewis/Tyson match will not happen any time soon. Tyson is expected to fight next either tough David Izon or the winner of Holyfield/Ruiz in April/May.

[Oberleutnant]

. . . and fil sets the record straight! While Tyson may be a first class @sshole, he's one of the more entertaining fighters out there and in his heyday could've had a great chance against Lennox IMO. And Tyson sells himself better than anyone at press conferences; cracks me up every time...He may be washed out, and he probably will lose... but I'll root for him anyway. Lennox is the true champ right now; but I'm not a fan because of his boring, play it safe fight for points/decision style. I have nothing against him; just too boring for my tastes.

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[Newbie]

AlohafromHell

BigBird posted "How can someone born in Jamaica who represented Canada in the Olympics be considered English?"

He questioned the claim that Lennox Lewis is ENGLISH based on the fact that Lewis was born in Jamaica and lives there. Your response was:

"Bird, so what are you saying? You can only represent the country you originate from? If that's the case the entire U.S. olympic team should consist of native americans."

Only "native americans" can claim to have originated in North America? I was born in this country and have spent my entire life here. I would say that I have originated here and I am not what you would call a "native american". Also, BigBird never questioned Lewis's legal right to represent Great Britian in the Olympic Games. He questioned whether or not he is ENGLISH.

"Jamaica is a British Colony"

"Jamaica is to Great Britain as Hawaii is to the United States."

If being a Jamaican citizen automatically means that you are a citizen of Great Britian, then that last statement is correct. I honestly wouldn't know if this is the case or not. However, even being a British citizen does not make one English. Ireland is part of Great Britian. Try convincing an Irishman that he's English.

[Aloha From Hell]

Hey dildo, there are plenty of people born in Ireland that consider themselves English. They're called PROTESTANTS and most are descendents of invading (English mostly) forces from years gone by. As to the Jamaica issue, my advice (good advice) to is to shut the hell up about things you do not understand. I don't have the time or inclination to explain British colonialism & citizenship (not actually the right word, Brits are "subjects" not "citizens"). If you're smart you will go and do your own research before opening your fat mouth and looking stupid (again).

Face it yanks, THE WORLD CHAMP IS A BRIT!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

LMAO

[hounddog]

Aloha reminds me of "BISON"

[Aloha From Hell]

Originally posted by hounddog
Aloha reminds me of "BISON"

I think I was just slammed

[Newbie]

AlohafromHell

"Hey dildo, there are plenty of people born in Ireland that consider themselves English. They're called PROTESTANTS and most are descendents of invading (English mostly) forces from years gone by. "

Another cheap "tactic" attempted by AlohafromHell. It's called being pedantic. You nit-pick at the specific example that was used, get all melodramatic, and respond as though you are shooting down the entire argument when all you're doing is placing an undue amount of emphasis on one tiny exception to the fact that the VAST OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of Irishmen do not consider themselves English. The whole issue borders on a straw man argument really. You respond as though my argument was that every single Irishman considers himself English and that because a Protestant minority exists, the entire argument that Irish does not equate to English is wrong. The argument is that Ireland is part of Great Britian, yet not part of England.

The except you pedantically brought up does not change the fact that the majority of the people in Ireland do consider themselves Irish despite the fact that Ireland is part of Great Britain. The majority of the people in Scotland consider themselves Scottish. The majority of the people in Wales consider themselves Welsh. You know why, because they are not English. They may be part of Great Britian, except they are not English.

You're tricks are very lame. First, Bigbird says that a person born in Jamaica that lives in Jamaica is not English. The fact that it was later determined that Lennox Lewis was born in England is irrelevant because you did not know that when you typed your response.

Look at your response:

"Bird, so what are you saying? You can only represent the country you originate from? If that's the case the entire U.S. olympic team should consist of native americans."

First, you attempt to play a little slight of mind by substituting the word origination in place of country of birth and completely discard the issue of country of residence. You then go on to inject your interpetation of country of origination into your deliberately misleading representation of BigBird's assertions in order to equate those assertions with saying that only "native americans" should be eligible to represent the U.S. on grounds of ethnicity, a topic which BigBird never mentioned, in the Olympic Games even though no one before you mentioned the Olympics.
You then go on to say that Jamaicans are British because Jamaica is a British colony. Notice how you conveniently interchange the words English and British. The fact that Jamaica is a BRITISH colony does not make Jamaicans ENGLISH.
If you want to evaluate representing a country in terms of representing them in the Olympic Games and also say that Jamaica(a British colony) is to Great Britian as the state of Hawaii is to the U.S., answer these questions. Does Jamaica have it's own Olympic team? Does Hawaii have it's own Olympic Team?

[Aloha From Hell]

First of all, I really got you on the Irish thing. And you know it. Your original statement about none of the Irish considering themselves English was proved to be bull. Way to make a point, LMAO. As for the Welsh and Scottish, of course they wouldn't describe themselves are "English", however, most would desribe themselves as "British". It seems to me you don't understand the difference. You probably don't understand the difference between Great Britain and the United Kingdom either. Figures.

As to the Hawaii analogy, I was making the point that many countries have geographically disparate regions while still competing under a common flag. You probably don't know this, but Jamaica has a long history as a British Colony, in fact it was one of the first colonies. Many Jamaican natives do feel British, and because of the mass migration to Britain in the 50's, there are many families divided between Britain & Jamaica. The result is many people who have dual nationality and maintain the right to compete for more than one country. I really don't know why I am explaining this to someone as ignorant as you, perhaps some of it will "stick", but I doubt it. Stupid people tend to remain stupid despite the best efforts of others. The bottom line is Lennox is a Brit. All your ranting will not change this fact no matter how convinced you are to the contrary. You remind me of one of those ranting homeless folks with Tourette's. In a word: Pathetic. Now sod off and eat some humble pie.

[Newbie]

"As for the Welsh and Scottish, of course they wouldn't describe themselves are "English", however, most would desribe themselves as "British".

Read BigBird's original statement:

"How can someone born in Jamaica who represented Canada in the Olympics be considered English?"

BigBird did not say British. He said English. You responded with:

"Bird, so what are you saying? You can only represent the country you originate from? If that's the case the entire U.S. olympic team should consist of native americans."

"Jamaica is a British Colony"

It looks like you are disputing BigBird's assertion that Lennox Lewis is not English by proving that he is British.

"It seems to me you don't understand the difference."

No, it seems to me that we both understand the difference and you are still trying to play little tricks with the meanings of the words. You tried to sneak the word British in there because it was easier to argue that Lennox Lewis is British than it is to argue that he is English. Maybe if you read the statement one more time you might be able to decipher it's meaning. Here it is:

"How can someone born in Jamaica who represented Canada in the Olympics be considered English?"

Notice the last word in the sentence.---English

Let's look at your response:

"Jamaica is a British Colony"

Look how you convienently replace the word English with British. This appears to be because you are a dishonest, arogant little prick intent on proving points through intellectual deceit.

[fil]

Jamaica is a soverign nation since 1962, it is no more British then Canada, Hong Kong, Austalia, New Zealand etc.

[Aloha From Hell]

Originally quoted by Newbie
"How can someone born in Jamaica who represented Canada in the Olympics be considered English?"

The problem here is you keep switching between my general argument and the specific case of Lennox; you are the one that is confusing the issue. However, since you want to focus on Lennox, that's do that. Here's what I found:

Lennox Lewis was born in London, England on September 2, 1965. Moved
to Canada at age 12.


#1 The premise of the question was incorrect. Lennox was born in London not Jamaica. That makes him English and/or British. The British/English thing is a red herring.

#2 Stay with me on this one, it's a simple concept: Nationality does not soley depend on place of birth. Lennox maintains tri-national status. That is, he is a citizen of Jamaica, Canada & The United Kingdom. This is not uncommon, especially when families migrate as did the Lewis family.

Now, if you don't get it yet, you must be an intellectual pigmy. To tell you the truth, I don't even know what the thrust of your argument is, I think you lost your way at some point and don't have the balls to admit it.

Buh-Bye moron. LMAO.

[Newbie]

"As to the Hawaii analogy, I was making the point that many countries have geographically disparate regions while still competing under a common flag."

Your words were :

"Jamaica is a British Colony

I'll spell it out for you in baby language:

Jamaica is to Great Britain as Hawaii is to the United States.

Now I have a question for you:

Do you have any objection to natives of Hawaii representing the U.S.?"

This analogy is incorrect no matter how you try to back out of it. Hawaii is not a nation. It is a state. It is not a soverign nation like Jamaica It does not have it's own Olympic team.

As I stated before, the fact that it later turned out that Lennox Lewis happened to have been born in England is irrelevant to your statements because you showed no indication of knowing this at the time. Do you really expect me to believe that you knew this at the time and chose not to use it as "ammuntion" in your rebuttal?

"The premise of the question was incorrect. Lennox was born in London not Jamaica. That makes him English and/or British."

This new information, which you were unaware of at the time is what makes actually him English/British. However, that still does not change the fact that "someone born in Jamaica who represented Canada in the Olympics" is not English on account of the information you provided in your original arguments, mainly that Jamaica is a British colony. Also, this does not change the fact the Jamaica is NOT to Great Britian as Hawaii is to the United States.

"The problem here is you keep switching between my general argument and the specific case of Lennox Lewis"

All right, let's talk about your general argument of how SOMEONE born in Jamaica who represented Canada in the Olympics can be considered English on account of the fact that Jamaica is a British colony.

"I think you lost your way at some point and don't have the balls to admit it."

No, you are the one that doesn't have the balls to admit when he is wrong. Instead, you attempt to adopt new evidence and imply that that evidence was the foundation of your original argument.

[Angel_of_Pain]

Man this is really but really not what the topic is about, man I dont care if Tyson or Lewis is Canadian, Americain or even Martian I just hope Lewis will beat Tyson cause Lewis is a first class athlete who train hard and as face every challenge throw at him and Tyson is the opposite he train when he want and talk shit that dont make sence. How can Tyson win if he lost 2 times to Holyfield (yeah one by d/q so what its a loss) and Holyfield lost 2 times to Lewis (yeah 2 time the first one was a Don King $$$ move). So let me say this Lewis will beat Tyson fair and square I predict a knock out and then Lewis will face Ruiz unified the belt and retire simple as that HE IS THE KING OF THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION!!!. and thats a fact

[Aloha From Hell]

Hey newbie, you're getting a little repetitous. Try addressing what I actually said instead of building a straw man argument.

My point was that since Jamaica was a British Colony it is not unusual for a Jamaican to have British Citizenship. I didn't say EVERY Jamaican is a British Citizen. Can your nit-wit brain understand the difference??????

BTW Please learn the difference between "it's" & "its". We're talking basic grammar here.