Wingchunner fights in amateur NHB

[Tom Yum]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynyypQ-wa2Q

Not bad.

The WC guy is able to keep forward pressure with chain punching. Sprawls against a takedown attempt, is able to maintain the top position and rain punches on his opponent.

[DickHardman]

there was nothing in that video that even slightly resembled wing chun lol......

[Tom Yum]

The vertical-fist, chain punching looks like wing chun to me.

The remaining maneuvers: sprawl and what have you are all wrestling/JJ.

[aseepish]

NHB... really?

No punches to the head? The few that went to the head appeared to have been accidental.

[Tom Yum]

kyokushin-ish NHB I guess.

If it was real NHB, the guys entourage would have jumped into the ring with firearms, say an MP5, M4 or M249

[Thai Bri]

There are a few competitions without head shots. I really can't see the point. It's a bit like a swimming competition without the water.

These examples of "Wing Chun" don't look like Wing Chun. Mere left/right/left/rights don't make them chain punching. And where was all the sensitivity developed in Chi Sao?

Only the Wrestling actually had much of an effect.

[JkD187]

Not to be an ass but the word NHB means No Holds Barred.....those were the Vale Tudo esque rules from back in the day which basically no longer exist(except in some smaller events)where almost everything was legal.....today we have MMA which is a sport with rules.....but no punches to the head? thats NOWHERE near NHB or even close to MMA thats amatuer tag.

[DickHardman]

There are a few competitions without head shots. I really can't see the point. It's a bit like a swimming competition without the water.

These examples of "Wing Chun" don't look like Wing Chun. Mere left/right/left/rights don't make them chain punching. And where was all the sensitivity developed in Chi Sao?

Only the Wrestling actually had much of an effect.

i agree. even if that was wing chun, it was totally ineffective since none of those "chain punches" were able to even make his opponent flinch or stop for even a second.

and competing in matches that dont allow strikes to the head is a good way of messing up your game.

[Garland]

Not to be an ass but the word NHB means No Holds Barred.....those were the Vale Tudo esque rules from back in the day which basically no longer exist(except in some smaller events)where almost everything was legal.....today we have MMA which is a sport with rules.....but no punches to the head? thats NOWHERE near NHB or even close to MMA thats amatuer tag.

Not to be an ass, but no holds barred means NO HOLDS barred...not ALL TECHNIQUES AND STRIKES legal. Still...they do disallow a few holds and grappling manuevers, so I guess they still don't live up to their billing.

No where...except in Floro Vilabrille type fights, exist no-rule competitions...and seeing as they had timed rounds...well...you see my point.

[DickHardman]

there are a lot of people in martial arts that would rather "look cool" than actually properly learn an art. these kind of videos are proof. they sacrifice/water down their training in order to look like an mma fighter lol...

[Red Rum]

Hahahahahha. It makes me laugh. It doesn't matter to you guys that the guy is a wing chunner, and did well during the fight - it's all about criticism

I haven't seen the fight, but it sounds like he used a whole lot of sensitivity to gauge where the shoot came in and sprawled accordingly
The whole idea of sensitivity in chi sao is that when someone moves you can feel it. It appears in different ways. You don't have to be upright performing poon sao to use it

If I won a fight by doing a vertical drop on someone I wouldn't care that it wasn't quite wing chun. The reactions, the movement that wing chun employs has generally improved my game

And I will reiterate this yet again - wing chun is not a sport art
I do not use wing chun moves when I fight in tournaments or in a cage.
I use sport arts - MT , BJJ , wrestling and try to use a bit of what wing chun has taught me

In cage fighting you can't strike the spine, you can't gauge the eyes, you can't use the tip of the elbow, you can't strike the throat, you can't do stamp kicks to the legs. It's not an excuse, just the rules that those events use.

I have fought outside the ring and decimated people (one mugger ended up in hospital). I'm not proud of it, but it is an example of the power of wing chun. All I would ask from you guys is that you give wing chun enough respect not to immediately destroy it when you hear it's name

[JBolton]

No doubt, Wing Chun is a great and effective art. My good friend, Lee Gagnon, from the U.K. swears by WC/JKD since he and many of his students have successfully used WC principles in many street encounters.

I personally don't think WC (by itself) would be very effective in the ring because MMA fighting requires so many other skills (grappling, wresting, etc.) and the fighters are so very well trained. Of course, many "pure" WC stylists think they may not need anything other than WC principles for a street fight (I tend to agree with that position so long as the person has a high level of skill).

All of that being said, I think the video (by its title alone) is attempting to promote WC in the ring, which is why it is getting all the criticism here (including the fact that the fighter doesn't appear to have high level skill in WC anyway).

[Red Rum]

I think a WC guy saying that he doesn't need other martial arts is a little deluded personally. There are situations where wing chun just struggles. These are when the opponent is too far away (in a TKD kicking range) or in a grapple.

As I havent seen the video I can't comment on the level of wing chun, but I would say that at least a wing chunner is getting in the ring!!

Kevin Chan was contemplating going into the UFC at one point, but he admitted that he wouldn't use WC in the cage.

As he has said before - cage is cage, streetfighting is streetfighting. They are not the same

[Tom Yum]

Reiterating what I said earlier and what Garland said, the closest thing to a true NHB event would be what the Dog Brothers are doing (weapons, striking, takedowns and grappling) but that only includes blunt weapons.

Mike posted information on a new high-tech training blade that actually sends a small voltage on contact; throw that in the picture too and you've got yourself probably the closest thing to NHB you could get - and that's still excluding the biting arts of kino mutai, gouging, fish hooks, strikes to the back of the head/kneck and lower back.

Some guys with a wingchun background stepped into the ring and beat their opponents with a combination of wingchun and grappling using rules that are close to MMA. Respect goes to where its earned.

From what little I've read and heard of wingchun, the art used to be bareknuckle and fought in NHB-like rules 50 or so years ago, but its lost this aspect of its art and became the patty-cake, slap art that got used and abused in UFC.

Good to see wc guys training harder and with more contact today!

[jubaji]

There are situations where wing chun just struggles.

Yeah, any situation where your opponent isn't your own WC student.