BJJ vs. Wrestling is a myth...

[Hookah Smokin Caterpillar]

Didn't Silva take down Henderson also? I didn't see the fight but thats what I heard.

So, Silva, who doesn't even train full-time in BJJ crosstrained in wrestling and was able to take down one of the hardest wrestlers to take down in the sport. So its not so unrealistic for a BJJ blackbelt to do it, so in Renzo's case, it wasn't so crazy. He took a sloppy shot and it cost him. It seems like even if Renzo didn't knock himself out he was going to get KOed anyway on the ground. Crazy sport

[Dhalsim]

Newton took Henderson down! He slipped under a punch I believe.

[Ronin]

I think it can be done, but you have to be patient and time it right.

Renzo and Goes jumped the gun.

So did Sak, for that matter.

[Armbar is back!]

Mr. Miyagi, you said: "N0 matter how much a bjj fighter crosstrains in wrestling they still won't be able to take down a top flight wrestler." and I must disagree. That is an incredible generalization which has no basis in reality. Learning takedown skills has nothing to do with being a BJJ practitioner or not - it has to do with the individual, how often they train takedowns and the emphasis that INDIVIDUAL places on their training. I agree that many BJJ trained fighters lack the takedown skills which I have always considered a prerequisite for their art. But to say that they can't learn and improve those skills because of their art is ludicrous.

[Qkfx]

ok

First of dittos to what Armbar is Back said.
The wrestlers we're seeing are world class athletes. Kerr, Coleman, etc..could have excelled in any number of sports. The best bjj guys we are seeing are predominately guys who have a long history (usually family history) in the sport and have great technique as a result. However I wouldn't consider them world class athletes. As bjj continues to gain popularity, the talent pool will increase and we'll see athletes more on the level of the wreslters emerging from bjj backgrounds. BJJ will also bring their weak takedowns up to par to be more complete, which is completely possible as seen with athletes like Vitor and Newton.

[Ronin]

Qkfx:

Good post!

I think the old-timers can still compete...they've just gotta stop doing dumb things like shooting right in and getting smacked.

Coleman re-tooled his style after 3 tough losses and is doing great now.

[festiva]

it all depends on what a fighter thinks is the achilles heal..and this is where the most underated ability in mma shows itself its called INTELLIGENCE and i think that this is where we start talking about this fighter versus this fighter.. intelligence and an ability to figure out what will make the difference..is the elusive x factor not a particular style..but some styles address situations that will occur the most often and some styles deal with particulars ...id like to train in those situations that are MOST likely to happen and train down from there so in the cafeteria of mma you must choose what you will concentrate on so training should have nothing to do with style and everything to do with what ends up being a successful strategy and that is not hard to figure out whoever is the top 3 in each event and what they did to get there is what a serious martial artist should train on.....always the truth in the winners....

[jubaji]

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