Is there any art that is ineffective?

[Ronin]

Rubbaneck:

Hey, he won his fight, didn't he?

With scientific precision.

[macdawg]

Mo Smith was in a magazine and his list of arts that he thought were effective in MMA was small, basically boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, judo, sambo, and BJJ. However the street is a different. I just train the effective arts and add combatives and dirty tricks on my own, I mean there is no way to be the best eye gouger, the best ball kicker, the best at biting....you don't train that in the dojo you just mentally practice it and be ready to do it, but I do practice the arts effective in MMA because I can use those if the dirty tricks won't work, or am needing to grapple to restrain someone.

[Newbie]

Rubbaneck:

I believe John Hess held a fifth degree black belt in Scientific, Aggressive Fighting Technology of America.

[Water Dragon]

Uhhh, not quite MacDawg.
You train groin kicks by kicking the bottom of a heavy bag. The point is to get the bag to "lift" straight up when you kick it.

You don't train eye gouging specifically. You train timing and angles (which by the way, is exactly what you do in boxing)

No basic skill = No dirty tricks

[Water Dragon]

Back to the main point....

Pretty much every traditional (By that I mean a solid history going back at least 100 years) art can teach you to be a holy terror.

That's only if it is trained right however. About 90 % of the time I check out a new Kung Fu school I walk away in disgust. And believe me, I've checked out a lot. If you see a lot of forms and ritual, it's probably not the rea deal. Chinese teaching methods are notorious for being very laid back and appear extremely unorganized until you get used to it. A lot of ritual points to Japanese influence.

[aseepish]

Originally posted by Water Dragon
You train groin kicks by kicking the bottom of a heavy bag. The point is to get the bag to "lift" straight up when you kick it.

Uh, just make sure that you first check that the bag hasn't been weighed down with a couple of barbell plates in the bottom. Ouch.

-Tony

[Water Dragon]

LOL. Beware the Iron Leg (also good for developing the Thai kick)

[chetnik]

Aikido, Ninjutsu,Drunken monkey, Capoeira... Will never work.

[Mik_36]

I've heard some people say Ninjutsu is very effective, but I don't know enough about it to judge.

Most people will agree that while some martial arts are more effective than others in an NHB setting, all (or almost all) have alot of excellent attributes. And the athletic talent of the Martial Artist, not his art, is also very important for his success.

Of course I've also heard one Ninjutsu practicioner say that if NHB fights were fights to the death that Ninjutsu would win every time because his art is deadly (designed to KILL, not to win the fight etc.). I don't really buy all that crap but I'm really not in a position to judge, I don't know enough about it (I just took the guy's words with a grain of salt because he was obviously very proud of his art which most people are, so that is understandable). But I will buy that almost all Martial Arts bring alot of very positive things to the table and deserve respect.