Sperry vs. Rickson in NTL!!!!!!!

[Hawk]

OK Duchman, That's makes sense to me. Now, as far as I know
a Gracie or GJJ/BJJ Black Belt has never fought in the Russian Sambo title matches. Quite frankly, when something is billed World Championship, in most cases, that's considered the best. However, except for the Olympics, it is my opinion if you intend to have a World Championship it should be where the art originated when that is possible. For many years the USSR and Red China were completely closed off because of politics so it would have been hard to have a World Championship either place. Kopylov was a Sambo based fighter and Branco was GJJ/BJJ. Though I am not
familiar with that fight as far as what happen during the fight, I was under the opinion it was a NHB fight and not a Sambo match or GJJ/BJJ match. Traven defeated at least one maybe two Sambo based fighters when he won a NHB championship in Russia a few years back. Based on what I've seen, GJJ/BJJ has proven itself consistently in tournaments, mixed tournaments, and NHB better then any other art.
Hawk

[tuffguy]

Well if the guy on tops hands are locked around the bottom persons weist, then he is stalling. You cant submit the guy or try to pass like that, all you're doing is holding the guy down. With the ADCC rules the guy on the bottem isn't going to stall, he looses a point for ending up in the guard. So why would he stall? If he doesn't score or tap the guy, the he looses. Such is the case for the Kerr-Almeida match. Ricardo clearly was the aggressor in the fight. Kerr did nothing but defend until the last 2 mns, when he attempted to pass. The way I saw the amtch was, Ricardo got 2 atvantages for the near submissions, and Kerr got 1 for the near pass. Ricardo should have won, or at the very least gone to overtime. But they want Kerr to win so he can fight Sperry. As for Wallid beating Rickson, give me a break. Look Carlson's guys are teammates, so of course they are going to say they would win. Would you go around saying that your teammates would loose to this guy and that guy? Besides the whole Carlson side vs Helio's side of the family bad blood. Bustamatne is good, but not that good, and neither is Sperry. Again if Renzo(who is considered by everyone in MMA, including Kerr, Sak, etc... to be one of the most technicle fighters in the world) can't even come close to tapping Rickosn, then how is a guy who never tapps anyone going to tap him out?

[GROUND CONTROL]

Good post Tuff guy. I thought that Ricardo won the match also. I made this same point earlier.

[Martial Artist]

Rickson...

I want to know how many years grappling experiance Kerr has.Yea you can go ahead and say that has a long wrestling career but that doesnt mean crap in a bjj/adcc match.All that would do is get a takedown.On a HIGH end I would say Kerr has 4-5 years grappling experiance.Compare that to Rickson who has all his life.Kerr with his abilaty would probly have a purple belt in BJJ.In a NTL Rickson could beat Kerr,Sperry,Bustamante,and believe it or not even Wallid And to add to that I say that Renzo could beat them ALL in a NTL.And to add to the Sakaraba and Rickson issue,I would HATE to be in Rockson's shoes.Yes,I said Rockson.Either be faced with running or get humiliated by Sak

[Ronin]

Martial Artist:

How many times has this been explained to you? Wrestlers ARE Grapplers, they are just not used to submission and the guard. Kerr has been GRAPPLING his whole life. Wrestling is not just about takedowns, it is about control on the ground. You can't submit someone without control, which is why BJJ'ers very often lose to Wrestlers. Wrestlers are poor finishers though, so they need strikes to compensate, as in MMA.

That said, I don't see how Kerr can beat Rickson in an NTL fight under Abu Dhabi, no-striking, no-pinning rules. Kerr would have a great deal of difficulty passing Rickson's guard, and probably wouldn't be able to submit him from any position. The only way Rickson could lose is by eventual tap-out from exhaustion, but I guess that Kerr would make a mistake first.

In MMA Kerr would beat Rickson like a red-haired step-child. Rickson has NO CHANCE of taking Kerr down, nor does anyone else named "Gracie".

[tuffguy]

That being said, I don't know why they would need to take him down. Kerr's stand-up is very weak. What's Kerr going to kickbox with Rickson? I doubt it. Kerr's strength is the takedown, controling his opponant on the gorund and punnishing him with strikes. Why would he do something that he isn't comfortable with? That isn't his strength? He's not going to get a K.O. on his feet, so how whould he win the fight? And why would he even try that?

[Mr. Miyagi]

Some good points have been made.
That being said, I know that Kerr would sign to fight Rickson if he were given an offer, even for small money. If he wants to fight in KOTC, I'm sure he'd have no problem accepting a fight with Rickson for whatever money.
On the other hand, Rickson will never sign for a fight with Kerr, and of course he would claim all sorts of crap like "I'm not a promoter" or "I fight for the money I'm worth" or "I have to take care of my family" or whatever.
Kerr will continue to take big fights against big time fighters and probably lose a few along the way. Rickson will continue to fight people that are nobody in the NHB world. That's got to mean something.

[GROUND CONTROL]

Miyagi, Rickson is 41 yrs old. He is going to fight only when paid appropriately. Just because Rickson hasn't fought alot in the UFC doesn't mean that his fights in Brazil do not count. He has been fighting Vale Tudo since he was 17 yrs old.

If he is so weak why does everyone want to fight him? Why does he get paid so much more than all the other fighters? Why do the cards that he fights on have the highest buy rates?

Rickson has fought some weak competiton lately I agree. But how can everyone call Funaki weak? He was 10 years younger than Rickson. Funaki outweighed Rickson by 20 lbs. Funaki has beat both Shamrocks, Yuki Kondo, and Bas Rutten. He was also king of Pancrase. I really don't to think that that is too shabby. Mo Smith, both Shamrocks, Bas, all said that Funaki would smoke Rickson. Rickson choked him unconscious. Have some respect for a guy who was fighting true no rules fights in Brazil before you were out of grade school.

Mark my words he will fight Sak. He will beat Sak. Then these forums may just die off, because no one will be able to bash Rickson again.

[tuffguy]

I disagree about Kerr definatly signing to fight Rickson, especially for small pay. kerr has said publicly that he would never fight Rickson in a NTL fight, so take that for what it's worth.

[Martial Artist]

Originally posted by Ronin
Martial Artist:

How many times has this been explained to you? Wrestlers ARE Grapplers, they are just not used to submission and the guard. Kerr has been GRAPPLING his whole life.

I know they have takedowns and ground controll.But add in Submissions and that means BIG trouble for wrestler,hence Kerr would stall in a time limit fight.So that being said Kerr would just be added to Ricksons amazing 400+ record in a NTL.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Ground Control, nice to hear from you again. Yes, he is 41. But that's all he has to say himself. He can say, "I'm 41 now and I've had my best fights already, I won't fight these young whippersnappers" and I'd be fine with that. That's what you said, but he won't say this himself. You said that he will fight Sakuraba; I highly doubt it. In fact, I'll send you $100 dollars in cash if he fights Sakuraba and beats him. If this all transpires and I'm wrong just post your address and I will graciously admit it and send you five $20 bills. I will also continue to post on this forum because there is lots more to talk about. Later.

[Cooter]

Actually, Rickson is 40 years old He was born on November 21, 1959, making his 40th birthday the night of the Royler-Sakuraba fight.

[Ronin]

Kerr has gone on record as saying he wouldn't go to the ground with a Gracie (I think he was specifically talking about Royce). Why would he subject himself to ANY chance of losing? None of them could knock him out.

Kerr trains striking with Rutten, Ruas, and Rizzo, and has shown decent Muay Thai ability since his first UFC appearance. I think he would easily dispatch Rickson if they traded shots. A BJJ-er can't beat a decent striker who they can't take to the ground or control. No way, no how.

[cello]

I agree with you GROUND CONTROL. RG deserves a little more respect than alot of people here are willing to demonstrate. Why is he not recieving it? Mostly because of ingnorance or impatience.

The latter I can almost relate to. Alot of us (most will never admit to) are dying to see this guy take on ANY of todays top contenders. But simply said, thats not his style. Going back years, when no one knew jack about gjj, rickson didnt take the spotlight then and star in the first ufcs. Howcome? Do you really think he was ducking Martial Artists of fred etishes caliber? He was the "family Champion" and couldve easily boosted his "legend". He has always fought in his own good time, for his own reasons. Its no different now, expcept maybe thats he older, smarter, and alot wealthier.

But he will fight and when he does, there will be mostly three reactions from some of you: excuses("oh sak or who ever was distracted by his legend"), apologies("oh shit, sorry, I should have known") or bandwagon("wow, hey, hmm, whats that number again for rickson t-shirts").


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[Ronin]

cello:

I acknowledge Rickson's mastery of the submission game, but there is more to MMA than that these days. In an NTL grappling-only fight Rickson could probably beat anybody, including Kerr and Sperry, but when you throw in strikes and anti-grappling I just don't see how he can beat guys like Kerr, Coleman, Vovchanchin, etc.

Even Sak would be a challenge. None of this detracts from Rickson's ability, which I don't question. I just wonder why he doesn't either fight or retire. I question his fighting spirit. He seems to have lost it somewhere along the path to fame and glory.