Muay Thai, the next big thing to MMA?

[Durete]

Having read a range of your bizarre posts, I agree with KOTF's call - I think you're trolling.

I call people that think MMA is "The best" or most effective "fighting style" bizarre.

It's nothing but a (somewhat flashy)sport, sure it's an crowd pleaser and does well inside of the ring, where the rules are nowadays like this where a load of stuff that's used on the streets aint allowed there, Just look at their standing stance man, It's like written on their heads "Kick me in the groin" or anything like that.

Sure it's better than Sport Karate styles etc on the streets, but nothing close to as effective as the old styles, wich are simply designed to get rid of the opponent as fast as possible.

If you call anyone that calls your favorite SPORT for what it is, great in the ring, not much outside of it, an troll go ahaid.

I call that choosing to be blind aswell as leaning towards ignorance.

Just read a few of the so called rules:

"
Headbutting.
Eye gouging.
Hair pulling.
Biting.
Fish-hooking.
Attacking the groin.
Choking the opponent for three seconds or more
Strikes to the back of the head, spinal area and kidneys. (see Rabbit punch)
Strikes to, or grabs of the trachea.
Small joint manipulation (control of three or more fingers/toes is necessary).
Purposely holding the ring ropes or cage fence
Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent. (see Gouging)
Striking downward using the point of the elbow. (see Elbow (strike))
Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
Grabbing the clavicle.
Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
Stomping a grounded opponent.
Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck. (see piledriver)
Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
Spitting at an opponent.
Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area. "

Now tell me wich of these stuff will not be used in real fights?
Nothing that stops your opponent, or opponents friend to kick you in the head or poke your eyes out while trying to hit someone on the ground.
Who will not use the clothes of the opponent if it's practicable to choke or bring em more easy into some lock?
Who will not kick, knee, or even stomp someone on the ground when they can?
They will shout abusive language, they will spit on you/in your eyes etc.
MMA-ers train for the best they can do WITHIN the rules, not outside the rules.
They will kick people in the groin than uppercut, grab their hair (also against the rules) pull back to rip the throat etc.
If they aint trained agaisnt stuff like that, how can one ever expect too be good when fighting without rules against someone that knows what he does?
In fights people simply do what they're trained for.
if that is sports within rules they will use the same style.
If they are trained to hurt the opponent as much as they can where it hurts and without rules, they will do that.
Simple psychology.

Any sport martial art can be downed by an streetfighter.
counts for every style, sport karate/kung fu/judo/jujistu/mma/aikido.
But most of the people that are trained in the Traditional styles, or like bruce lee did, take the traditional Wing Chun aswell as other styles of kung fu and add a bit of fencing footwork and a bit of the western boxing way to evade punches all together. (still most of what he did where traditional technique's).
Now he trained way more than anyone does at this moment, but be real: If he can beat simply anyone. why would all of a sudden MMA come up in the last few years and be "better" than the traditional styles?

That's just one big joke.

Again: it could be at this point the best in an situation where all those different rules apply, but outside that it's the otherway around.

We know the BJJ guys know how to pull hair, just watch UFC 3, it's the only reason Royce Survived Kimo.

well it still is against the rules
hair pulling was in the rules from the very start of the UFC following wiki and a few other sites.

[matbla]

got videos

[Jujujason]

Again, you act as if there's some 'unseen/hidden force' that'll prevent the mma guy from doing any of that. After reviewing your list of rules, there's NOTHING there that requires extensive training or instruction to pull off. One simply needs to know to do it. MMA fighters are a pretty intelligent breed as far as pro athletes go. I'm sure a combat athlete can recognize the difference between a sporting event and a combat situation and make the appropriate changes to his tactics.

[Durete]

Sure they can see the difference,
the thing is: in combat you simply don't have time to think and do what you are trained to do,since that is "programmed" into your musular memory, "if that happens to me I react like that" etc.
No-one can simply really think on how to change technique's during an fight itself, Sure people can addept to the situation to a certain level, but not beyond that level.
Since we simply think to slow "What if I punch instead of in the face to the throat, and than instead of pulling back grab his throat and twist it around "
People simply do not think in actual combat like that.

If we could think like that how comes that there are no video's yet about street fights of 1 mma dude vs a shitload of people at the same time? If they could think and change technique's that fast to be more effective they could do that.
Human's just don't work that way.

If an MMA dude is trained in his normal practise not only the sporting allowed stuff but also trains to do the non-allowed stuff I'm sure they could become an unstoppable fighting machine, but they don't train like that.
I don't see Bas Rutten or some other well known mma-dude to train on some "boxing-man"(with that I mean an boxing bag in form of an man) some lethal technique's like that throat-twist as I said above.(wich obviously can't be trained on training partners since of its lethality..)

They train their sport stuff, nothing more.
therefor they are just good in sport-fighting, nothing more.

to get back on your post:
what you call unseen/hidden force: human psychology, how our brains work, we are simply limited by that.

also: knowing how it is done doesn't mean being able to do it without thinking as described above.

[Jujujason]

Well, what methods do traditional karate/kung fu have to train any of that stuff? Let me save you some time before you go groping around in your bag of answers. The answer is none. MMA (along with boxing, muay Thai, savate, wrestling, judo and bjj) can train all of their techniques against (are you ready for this?) an UNCOOPERATIVE opponent in a REALISTIC fashion and be able to train AGAIN the next day. That's the key. If you can't train any of that stuff in a realistic fashion against an uncooperative opponent consistently, then you'll never be able to pull it off in a real fight. That's the real advantage of combat sports when compared against traditional karate/kung fu.