bjj self defence techniques

[kiddbjj]

hi all

just wondering, does anybody's BJJ school still teach the self-defence techniques that are in Helio's book, and other BJJ books from the Gracies'.

You know stuff like defence against a bear hug, or standing head lock etc.

My school doesn't teach them and I'm wondering why they have gone out of fashion.

I'm guessing that they're left out for not being BJJ comp or MMA specific techniques, ie. they're the kind of techniques that a novice would try to pull on someone, but fundamentally, I think they are still workable techniques that should still be taught.

To me teaching a bear-hug defence for example is no different to teaching a half-guard escape. Both work, given the right scenario and timing, and both require transitioning to something else depending on the opponent reactions.

Personally I think they have been thrown out in an effort to make the style seem less like old school Japanese JJ, with todays focus being on comp techs only.

Any ideas/comments?

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Well, as you get better you'll know what to do in an event even if it was in "t3h str33ts." Escapes for crap grappling against untrained opponents are super easy and will usually come to you if you understand the physics of other "competition" escapes and why they work.

[Tant01]

hi all

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Personally I think they have been thrown out in an effort to make the style seem less like old school Japanese JJ, with todays focus being on comp techs only.

Any ideas/comments?

Say "JUDO"....



If you want the real goshin jutsu look at old (JUDO) Kata... You might even find some Aikido like weapon defenses. (compliments of Kenji Tomiki)

See also WA-JUTSU...

[Marksmarkou]

I think it is because many who practise BJJ do it a lot for sport. The same with Judo and some karate schools. They practise and spar the exact technqiues which are to be used in there competitions and not much more.

Dont get me wrong some of these are also effective for the street but more street training is needed by most styles.

Japenese Ju Jutsu is good for street fighting.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

If you're actually good in Judo, BJJ, etc. then your body does a lot more than try to pull up a technique at every situation. Give it 2 years in the sport and your body knows the mechanics and knows how to move and react to a situation that it comes across.
It's more like you learn the technique and through constant sparring that you learn how to set up the situation to use your technique.

[Guest]

Agreed. Not wishing to (ever again) get into sport vs street, but the outcome in both scenarios is dependant on the fighter who has the superior mix of attributes. If a BJJ or Judo player has a great level of attributes on the mat, then those attributes will be there for him off the mat, he doesn't suddenly become redundant when he walks outside the gym.

[Hardball]

Because of the egos involved in Martial Arts a lot of BJJ players feel superior to Traditional or Japanese Ju Jitsu practioners when in fact they are training in two different ways.

[Guest]

I have to be honest with you Hardball, all of the BBJ guys and girls I know are really cool people, with not an ego in sight. They probably deserve an ego, because a lot of them have gold medals wrapped around their neck, but their ego had the shit ripped out of it on the mat getting there.

Thats my experience anyway.

[Hardball]

Cool, it's all good. Hey who was the japanese jujitsu black belt that lost to Royce Gracie?

[Serrada]

The Gracie Academy in Torrance and Miami both teach the complete system with the stand up techniques, take downs and ground fighting. Visit: Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Brazilian Jiu-jitsu Adult Classes
Many of the schools do not teach the stand-up and take-down parts of BJJ b/c even within the Gracie family they were not all taught it. With in the family many of them focused on the sport aspect rather than the combative aspect.

[BJJ-2/04]

The Gracie Academy in Torrance and Miami both teach the complete system with the stand up techniques, take downs and ground fighting. Visit: Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Brazilian Jiu-jitsu Adult Classes
Many of the schools do not teach the stand-up and take-down parts of BJJ b/c even within the Gracie family they were not all taught it. With in the family many of them focused on the sport aspect rather than the combative aspect.

yep, i train there. 50% or more of our training is on our feet doing self defense, take downs, striking and clinching.

[timwagnor]

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[pstevens]

BJJ self-defense techniques gradually disappeared due to the popularity; and therefore rise of sport-oriented BJJ. I've investigated this matter years ago when I first started BJJ and this is what I've found:

1. Most people would rather use the time spent learning self-defense lessons which isn't "live" training, but more theoritical in nature, practicing the "live" sporting aspect. Live sparring is more dynamic and "hands-on" so people enjoying seeing and learning as they progress.

2. Many instructors feel "live" sparring prepares their students for aspects of self-defense either by exposing them to the stress, similar situations or physical demands.

3. Too much focus of self-defense is not marketable. Most students are motivated by competition, or at least seeing results in a "live" application.

This is just what I've noticed and heard from people.