how much ground for the street?

[jubaji]

Don't take it too seriously. "Mongolian Wrestling" is just one of the catch phrases a certain bunch who post here from time to time like to use. They use it like an invocation that automatically inures them against any question, criticism, or differing point of view.

[Ben Grimm]

Mongolian Shuai Jiao looks more dance like compared to the Shuai Jiao I've seen when I was in Heilongjiang Province.

[kiddbjj]

Clubber Lang - cheers for getting things back to the original question, and I take your point. Good advice!

I guess it comes down to what your focus of study is, and what your motivation is.

I'm turning 30 in about 2 weeks and I must admit it has made me reflect on my time in ma quite a bit. Specifically where I want to go with my training and if to continue at all.

I've decided that I definatley want to continue, and since I have a full life (career, marriage, mortgage) I want my training to be time efficient and most of all REWARDING and FUN.

Whislt I do have an interest in self defence, especially multiple opponents and weapons defence, I don't really enjoy this training as much as I love BJJ.

For all the young guys out there I can assure you that the style you enjoy the most is the one to pour your heart and energy into. Whilst your will power and dedication could keep you coming back to train in something that's "good for you" even though you don't really enjoy it, this will only last so long and eventually you will burn out. Granted you will walk away with some good experiences and skills; but it won't be something that will sustain you in the long haul. So in my opinion, the answer is to follow what you really like to do. This applies to all aspects of life too I guess, especially careers.

Just my opinion; take it or leave it

[jubaji]

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[Middleweight]

Hi guys

I'm sure we'd all agree that street attacks/scenarios would almost 100% start with people standing on their feet. Of course they can also go to the ground and obviously the more ground training you have the better off you will be; but I'm wondering for the street, what level of ground skill would one be advised to attain before deciding to really focus on the stand up stuff?

I ask this with busy people in mind. ie juggling fulltime work, family, home responsibilities; not just having as much time as you want to train.

What would be your opinion. A blue belt level of knowledge? Purple? More?

On the ground, he might stick a knife/shiv into you. Best chance is to avoid the thing. Stay out of bars after 11p.m., stay away from sleazy strip bars, etc. In other words, use common sense

[Sagacious Lu]

On the ground, he might stick a knife/shiv into you. Best chance is to avoid the thing. Stay out of bars after 11p.m., stay away from sleazy strip bars, etc. In other words...

...don't have fun? Come on, you make it sound like you can't step out for a night on the town without taking your life in your hands.

[jubaji]

Stay out of bars after 11p.m., stay away from sleazy strip bars, etc.

Screw that! You must be a student of the Uke School of Never Experience Anything Self Defense.

[blanker]

for the street you should think about one thing, how are you going to get on the floor? is it more likely that your going to get hip thrown,double legged ect or more likely knocked to the floor? the chances of being on the deck with an oponent on you is not hugely likely its more likely that your going to get shoved of your feet or punched of your feet so your attacker/s are more then likely to be standing whilst your on the ground now think if you do manage to be on the ground with an attacker how likely is it that he's going to be throwing out submissions? what are you going to do if your on the floor and you manage to pull of a heel hook or armbar? you ust going to stay there until he taps and then what?

imo its logical to train for what might happen and if you have asked yourself those questions it seems obvious before you even go into considerations of multiple oponents or weapons that training to end a fight on the ground is a tiny consideration, all the time poeple seem to spend learning say kimuras and the escape to a kimura would be much better spend drilling over and over again breakfalls, drill them so much that if you do get shoved of punch to the floor you will breakfall by defualt the same goes with learning the hip out escape to get you back to your feet as your not likely to be grappling on the ground with an attack. your far more likely to get knocked to the floor.

if you do go to the floor with an oponent you should train go get out of the basic positions and get back to your feet, basic boring sweeps and reversals to get you out from the bottom position and once your on top you can stand up.

as for stand up fighting i like mick coup stuff for a basic layout and plan a so to speak, bob spours clinch work, geoff thompson for the interview part of a fight, eddie quinn stuff for when your getting overwhelmed get some dvd's from those guys to give you basic tactics and then practice with some friends or go to a thaiboxing class to hit the pads.

[scb]

I'm wondering for the street, what level of ground skill would one be advised to attain before deciding to really focus on the stand up stuff?

as less as possible

[GordonBrown]

Hi guys

I'm sure we'd all agree that street attacks/scenarios would almost 100% start with people standing on their feet. Of course they can also go to the ground and obviously the more ground training you have the better off you will be; but I'm wondering for the street, what level of ground skill would one be advised to attain before deciding to really focus on the stand up stuff?

I ask this with busy people in mind. ie juggling fulltime work, family, home responsibilities; not just having as much time as you want to train.

What would be your opinion. A blue belt level of knowledge? Purple? More?

I train BJJ and theres no doubt it will get you back on your feet faster + help on 1 vs 1 situations, however i've never come across anything better than simulating real life situations.

For example: 1-10 people agressively attack you (with protective gear of course).

It doesn't really matter what martial art you've been doing or even how great you are at it. As long as the training partners are acutally doing it right, you'll be beaten everytime to start with.

My instructor has us do this on Fridays for about half an hour and it soon becomes clear that you have to be so fast, accurate and its a totally different ball game.

Since I started doing this type of situation practice explained above, I wouldn't think for a second of going to the ground. I mean, when these guys get the knifes out you have to be ready to either use it back on them or get away fast.

Striking, Judo and just being an allround explosive athlete is the key in my book.

[jubaji]

the chances of being on the deck with an oponent on you is not hugely likely.

You want to be careful assumptions like that don't come back to bite you in the ass.

[blanker]

You want to be careful assumptions like that don't come back to bite you in the ass.

really? unless im in the truly rare situation of fighting someone who wants to go to the ground im going to train to get off the ground as quickly as possible even arts like bjj train with the assumption that your oponent is going to stay on the ground with you, its a totelly different prospect fighting someone who dosnt want to stay on the ground then it is fighting someone who does and i train to get up as quickly as possible infact its just common sence that if your on top of someone to stand up and kick/ stomp him in the head so unless in going to get in a fight with the 0.005% of the population that has done any ground work im unlikely to have someone try and stay on the ground and even if i do come up against that rare % of person who does train to fight on the ground i bet he dosnt train against some who is skilled at getting of the ground.

if you take that into consideration and do the logical thing of training for the type of situation that your likely to come across its not really sensible to spend a great deal of time training to basically fight submission grapplers is it? as there the only ones who are going to put a tight pin on you.

how much time do you spend learning to get back to your feet or practice break falling kicking of your back climbing up your openant to get off the floor or throws and trips of your back how to deal with kicks from the ground and escaping from the basic pins back to your feet? probably not as much time as you spend locking on armbars or triangle chokes.

[GordonBrown]

how much time do you spend learning to get back to your feet or practice break falling kicking of your back climbing up your openant to get off the floor or throws and trips of your back how to deal with kicks from the ground and escaping from the basic pins back to your feet? probably not as much time as you spend locking on armbars or triangle chokes.

I wouldn't recommend Breakfalling out on the street

[blanker]

why because you may hurt your elbow? well yes but its better then your spine neck and head taking the brunt of the damage.

[GordonBrown]

why because you may hurt your elbow? well yes but its better then your spine neck and head taking the brunt of the damage.

They work in practice against passive people going through the motions, but when doing it at full force from someone who actually wants to hurt you, it doesn't work in the slightest.

The best policy is to not get in the situation of being on the floor in the first place