how much ground for the street?

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They work in practice against passive people going through the motions, but when doing it at full force from someone who actually wants to hurt you, it doesn't work in the slightest.

The best policy is to not get in the situation of being on the floor in the first place

i totally agree with you when it comes to not going to the floor in the first place.
imo there is to much enphasis on worst case scenario in the martial arts and not enough on impossing your fight on the attacker, but saying that i feel if your going to train for going to the ground which i feel you should do maybe 10% of the time its a good idea to drill breakfalls so much that you cant fall any other was as its the safest way to fall as if you land head first on concrete or a similar surface you will be lucky to get away with only being k.o'ed.

as for only working against passive throwers look at the judo guys thay get thrown as hard and fast as its humanly possible to get thrown and thay naturally will breakfall by reaction thay have drilled them so much.

[jubaji]

really? unless im in the truly rare situation of fighting someone who wants to go to the ground

The assumption that it is "truly rare" is one of those that may come back to bite you in the ass.

im going to train to get off the ground as quickly as possible

And when you run across someone trained to keep you there you are shit out of luck.

infact its just common sence that if your on top of someone to stand up and kick/ stomp him in the head

Who said you are going to be on top?

so unless in going to get in a fight with the 0.005% of the population that has done any ground work

Did it hurt when you reached in and pulled that figure out of your ass?

even if i do come up against that rare % of person who does train to fight on the ground i bet he dosnt train against some who is skilled at getting of the ground.

If you lose that bet you are shit out of luck. And btw, how do you know you are "skilled at getting off the ground"?


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f you take that into consideration and do the logical thing of training

Yes, the 'logical' thing is to make assumptions and then base your training on those assumptions, hoping they don't come back to bite you in the ass.

its not really sensible to spend a great deal of time training to basically fight submission grapplers is it? as there the only ones who are going to put a tight pin on you.

You sure about that?

how much time do you spend learning to get back to your feet or escaping from the basic pins back to your feet?

More time than YOU have ever spent training anything in your life.

probably not as much time as you spend locking on armbars or triangle chokes.

Wrong again.

[jubaji]

climbing up your openant (sic) to get off the floor .

"climbing up" you say?

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The assumption that it is "truly rare" is one of those that may come back to bite you in the ass.



And when you run across someone trained to keep you there you are shit out of luck.



Who said you are going to be on top?




Did it hurt when you reached in and pulled that figure out of your ass?




If you lose that bet you are shit out of luck. And btw, how do you know you are "skilled at getting off the ground"?


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Yes, the 'logical' thing is to make assumptions and then base your training on those assumptions, hoping they don't come back to bite you in the ass.






You sure about that?




More time than YOU have ever spent training anything in your life.




Wrong again.

look at how many people train some form of grappling then look at the general population its its a tiny %

here are the 10 most common street attacks

Aggressor threatens potential victim and invades his personal space. The victim responds by pushing the aggressor away. This is normally followed by the Aggressor striking first, to the head.
A swinging punch to the head.
A front clothing grab, one handed, followed by punch to the head.
A front clothing grab, two hands, followed by a head butt.
A front clothing grab, two hands, followed by a knee to the groin.
A bottle, glass, or ashtray to the head.
A lashing kick to groin/lower legs.
A broken bottle/glass jabbed to face.
A slash with knife, most commonly a 3 to 4" lock blade knife or kitchen utility knife.
A grappling style head lock.

there not going to take you down move for position and then smile to themselfs as thay lock in a sub and wait for you to tap.

you ever tried to lock on a sub on concrete? even if you do lock on a sub what then? you can break his arm but then you have gone from a fight to have some pissed of guy with a broken arm wanting to kill you, you going to stay there holding onto his arm forever? i know if someone broke my arm thay would be dead!
how are you even going to shoot on a guy who as grabbed you and is stiff arming you?
how are you going to take some down and grappling with someone smashing you with a glass ashtray or a knife?
even if you do get the takedown you probably going to k.o the guy as his head smashing against a brick wall or a concrete pavement, thay tends to do that.


yes maybe submission grappling is useful against an attacker you know dosnt have a weapon or friends to jump in or even passers (how you could be sure of this i dont know) you have at least 6 square feet on an even soft surfice to move in and he is also a skilled submissed grappler, both of you are not going to attack the eyes neck throat groin with strikes your both not going to head butt or bite or use head rips and once a sub is locked in the other guy is just going to stop fighting then submission grappling is your best bet but i would rather train for the more likely out come that im not going to be fighting in those conditions so im going to train to get up of the floor so his mates dont kick me in trhe head.

[jubaji]

look at how many people train some form of grappling then look at the general population its its a tiny %

By that logic, very few people train anything so why waste your time with any kind of MA training?

here are the 10 most common street attacks

According to what source?

you ever tried to lock on a sub on concrete?

I've done every kind of grappling on concrete your little mind can imagine.

you can break his arm but then you have gone from a fight to have some pissed of guy with a broken arm wanting to kill you

Oh no, the guy with a broken arm wants to kill me! Help!

i know if someone broke my arm thay would be dead!

No, more likely under those circumstances YOU would be. Stop watching old Clint Eastwood movies, kid.

how are you even going to shoot on a guy who as grabbed you and is stiff arming you?

Congratulations on winning the ignorant dope of the week award!

yes maybe submission grappling is useful against an attacker you know dosnt have a weapon or friends to jump in or even passers (how you could be sure of this i dont know) you have at least 6 square feet on an even soft surfice to move in and he is also a skilled submissed grappler, both of you are not going to attack the eyes neck throat groin with strikes your both not going to head butt or bite or use head rips and once a sub is locked in the other guy is just going to stop fighting then submission grappling is your best bet but i would rather train for the more likely out come that im not going to be fighting in those conditions so im going to train to get up of the floor so his mates dont kick me in trhe head.

You go on and on about how you are an expert at "getting up off the ground" but then you post ignorant shit like this that clearly indicates you have no fucking idea about grappling. Good luck, champ.

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you havent put forward any logical argument based on reason or fact, just made baseless statements with no attempt to explain your point and poor attempts at offending me personally.

the top ten attacks come from a study done using imformation from the nhs and metripolitan police

most people dont train or even know how to throw a punch but not training isnt going to make you better off is it?

why to you think judo uses upper body throws most of the time? its because its very hard to shoot on someone who is stiff arming you especially when he's head butting, punching you.

you obviously havent done every kind of grappling on concrete. i have and had to go to hospital with bits of glass sticking out of me and swollen knee's and elbows. most of the time i then had to stand up again as i was tacking a battering from his friends.

i have seen people get stabbed slashed had eyes gauged out and limbs broken kicked square in the nuts and still fought on pain compliance dosnt work with a huge dose of adrenalin drink and drugs also will numb the senses when it comes to pain. just look at the ufc theres been loads of broken ribs shoulders hands wrists ect and people have fought on to win, randy beat gonzaga with a broken hand that he used to punch ganzaga in the face with.

im sure you have seen a few ufc's and think its just like real fighting and maybe have gone to a few bjj classes and now think your invensable but when your old enough to go out to clubs and bars you will be in for a nasty suprise with your attitued and false sence of skill.

[jubaji]

First of all, take an English class or something you illiterate slob.



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well that would be the dyslexia nothing i can really do about that but you must understand what im writing well enough to have one of your little hissy fits.

[jubaji]

you havent put forward any logical argument based on reason or fact, just made baseless statements with no attempt to explain your point and poor attempts at offending me personally.

I have been responding to your silly shit. Any lack of reason or logic was built in to your ill informed premise.

[jubaji]

well that would be the dyslexia nothing i can really do about that .

Bullshit excuses, like your transparent attempts to talk your way around not bothering to learn how to grapple.

[jubaji]

the top ten attacks come from a study done using imformation from the nhs and metripolitan police .

Link, and context.

[jubaji]

most people dont train or even know how to throw a punch but not training isnt going to make you better off is it?

That was sort of my point wasn't it, jackass?

[jubaji]

why to you think judo uses upper body throws most of the time? its because its very hard to shoot on someone who is stiff arming you especially when he's head butting, punching you.

Your ignorance is astonishing, dopey.

[jubaji]

you obviously havent done every kind of grappling on concrete.

More than you've ever done anything on concrete or any other surface, kid.

[jubaji]

pain compliance dosnt work with a huge dose of adrenalin drink and drugs also will numb the senses when it comes to pain.

Great. Who the hell asked?