Bruce Lee vs Grapplers of today, such as Ken Shamrock

[Maxximus]

Dio,

What are you talking about?? Frank Shamrock has said that during their first sparring session it was Cung Le that dumped HIM a bunch of times.

[Alan]

Lee was primarily an actor? Sorry, got to disagree with you there. Lee considered himself first a martial artist then an actor. Jackie Chan considers himself primarily an actor then a martial artist. Bruce was different. Unlike many actors he trained all the time and all he talked about in interviews was how great martial arts is....

[Dio]

Hello JKDfighter. Thank you for reinforcing my comment that bruce lee never fought someone even close to pro NHB level. As you said he fought the best of his time. The best of his time wouldn't last 2 minutes against todays pro NHB fighters either. Pro boxers who have ONLY boxing skill and no grappling have done poorly in NHB. But the ones with grappling and boxing are very good(Vitor).

Ryu, i never said the matches were unfriendly. I fact i directly said they were FRIENDLY sparriing matches.

Gene Le Bell must be one bad mother F'er if Bruce Lee really has that god-like fighting ability like so many JKD guys believe.

And don't misinterpret me. I'm not saying that Bruce wasn't a good fighter. I admit that he was good. I'm just saying he couldn't compare to today's pro-NHB fighters.

[Dio]

Oh. And Bruce never fought pro boxers. Not that i know of. I think a pro boxer would also beat Bruce. Bruce just fought ordinary people on the street, and some fellow martial artists in challenge matches and friendly training. Not anybody on a pro NHB level. Not once.

I am not anti-Bruce Lee. I'm not. It's just my opinion that he's could't hang with pro-NHB fighters. And once again i think he was very very good.

[Robbie]

Bruce in his prime would do pretty good at his weight division IMO.He was a fast puncher,and even back then he was getting into grappling.

[LEGION]

Originally posted by JKDFIGHTER


Legion,

Did you happen to see the last Lewis fight. No combo, one fake, one punch, knockout. Just one of many examples. Not to mention that Prince Naseem's knockouts are almost all one-punchers. There is a term in boxing called "knockout artist". There IS a reason.

Once again i am misuderstood, so i will clarify what i meant. Yes the fight was determined by 'a' punch but by no means was it determined by 'one and only one puch'. The single puch that landed and ended the fight was delivered after four and a half rounds of exchanged punches. I have only ever seen one professional fight truly determined by 'one' punch, and it was by tyson in his prime. Never have i seen any other fights determined by 'one and only one' punch with the exception of preemptive cheap shots.

[Dio]

ha ha ha. Boxing is a prime example of how fights DON'T end in one punch.

[Famine]

IMHO,

Bruce Lee was both a realist and an obsessive-compulsive -- like most elite athelete/performers. He knew that he was given tremendous speed and power for his size and he exploited that fully. Had Bruce lived today, I have no doubt that he would have trained with the best jiu-jitsu instructors he could find. I like to think bjj-wise he would have been akin to Helio/Royler in style -- small, fast, ultra-technical, freaky.

HOWEVER --

I don't think you would have ever caught BL in any sport competitions. Like a lot of people cross-training mma today, he would have taken what he could have used from bjj and gone on his way. With his already proven stand-up and (hypothetical) bjj skills, i don't think any but the very best could take him down. Can you imagine trying to shoot on someone that quick?? Especially when he knew what you wanted??


Just my two cents.


--you can run, but you'll only die tired--

[Dio]

Must of you accept that Bruce was not an expert grappler. He was an expert striker. Although he wasn't the best grappler in the world (lost to Gene le Bell in friendly training), he was an excellent striker.

But how good of a striker was he. Could he hang with PRO strikers? Coult he beat Roy Jones Jr.? What if Cung Le got in the time machine and fought Bruce Lee?

Bruce's striking skills have been bloated by fanatical fans. He was an excellent striker but really; how can you really know for sure that he was so auwsome if he never fought a PRO fighter.

People think that Bruce would open up a can of whoop ass in NHB if he would learn grappling and crosstrain and warp from the dead to fight. Would he really do as well in NHB as everyone says he would? On what basis do you think he would do so good?

When people die early then the fans turn the person into a legend. Bruce Lee's amazing skills are a Legend. Nothing more than a legend. Now there is some truth behind every Legend, but as we all know legends are a little far fetched.

Curt Cobain died early. He is now a god of hard rock. If Cobain would have lived he just would have been an ordinary popular rocker, but since he died

[Tuff]

I was wondering if Lee had any real fights on tape as well, never see nany real fights of his.

What he does in movies I have hard time accepting as real, as I believe many would agree is not accurate.

I just don't believe he would "own" grappler style fighters like many feel he could.

the details on Lee vs LeBell were not on his page that I saw.

[True Technique]

"Let me tell you how it is folks--JKD is waste of time. Why is thread being used to debate such an obvious topic? Brule Lee would literally DIE again fighting today's round of fighters--like Shaka Zulu the Legend Vs. Erwin Rommel. Come on, is that really a match worth lighting? In my mind, calling in Shamrock to fight weak Bruce Lee is no different than ordering an atom bomb to exterminate a few hundred sheep believed to have come in contact with the mad cow disease. Can you say overkill? And what fool convinced you JKDers that Lee had a lot of strength and power? Or technique?"

---The Master---

[bobby_steeles]

what fool has convinced us that you are not a retard?

[Alan]

Dan inosanto is one of those fools, he says that pound for pound lee was one of the strongest people he has evereseen the the martial arts....

[True Technique]

"You're right, Alan. Dan inosanto is a big dumb fool."

---The Master---

[Ryu (non-working password]

LOL
True technique are you still around? You're a fag

Ryu