bjj and wrestling

[JadeDragon]

Do you think that wrestling and bjj can compliment each other?

If you have wrestled in high school and/or college for many years can that experience help you when learng bjj?

Which has better takedown ability........a wrestler or a bjj stylist or are they both the same? It is my opinion that bjj only teaches a few takedowns (single and double leg takedowns). Thats pretty much all you you see. For those of you that do bjj what other have you learned?

[Tant01]

Make a list...

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.... It is my opinion that bjj only teaches a few takedowns (single and double leg takedowns). Thats pretty much all you you see. For those of you that do bjj what other have you learned?

How long did you say you actually STUDIED BJJ???

[jubaji]

............exactly

[JadeDragon]

I studied a little less than a year. Almost all the techniques we learned we started from already on the ground (usually on our knees). I relied on the takedowns I knew already from wrestling such as ankle picks, duck unders, etc....

See, I try to ask serious questions and all I get from you is a bunch of smart ellic, smart ass comments in return. If you can't make a positive contribution then STFU.

[jubaji]

You want to promote yourself as an experienced MA, then you ask ridiculous newbie questions. Then, sooner or later, go off on one of your hillbilly rants.

[JadeDragon]

You want to promote yourself as an experienced MA, then you ask ridiculous newbie questions. Then, sooner or later, go off on one of your hillbilly rants.

I am a experienced martial artist when it comes to kung fu but I never said I was an expert on bjj. I don't believe you are very experienced due to the fact you won't state your teacher(s) or their schools name. I've listed mine.

And again, you won't let the insults and snide remarks go. You want me to let it go but maybe you should take your own advice.

[jubaji]

I am a experienced martial artist when it comes to kung fu but I never said I was an expert on bjj. .

You claim to have wrestled at East Nowhere High and you claim to have studied BJJ for a year. That is more than enough to know the obvious answers to your pointless questions.

I don't believe you are very experienced due to the fact you won't state your teacher(s) or their schools name. I've listed mine.

Let me say again: I don't give a rat's ass what a hick moron like you believes or not. I think I've outlined my experience here many times, and if a normal person wants to know I'll let them know again. I never asked you to list anything and all the phone numbers in the world won't mitigate my opinion of you.

[Tant01]

Obi otoshi? Hiza guruma

I studied a little less than a year. Almost all the techniques we learned we started from already on the ground (usually on our knees). I relied on the takedowns I knew already from wrestling such as ankle picks, duck unders, etc....

See, I try to ask serious questions and all I get from you is a bunch of smart ellic, smart ass comments in return. If you can't make a positive contribution then STFU.

You should have been taught a hip throw in the first year...

[JadeDragon]

[QUOTE=jubaji;318766]You claim to have wrestled at Lafayette High School and you claim to have studied BJJ for a year. That is more than enough to know the obvious answers to your great questions.

Let me say again: I don't give a rat's ass what a great person like you believes or not. I think I've outlined my experience here many times, and if you want to know something I'll tell you. [QUOTE]


Jubaji, when are you going to let this obssesion with me go? It's getting old. Not to mention ruining every thread.

[pstevens]

Do you think that wrestling and bjj can compliment each other?

If you have wrestled in high school and/or college for many years can that experience help you when learng bjj?

Which has better takedown ability........a wrestler or a bjj stylist or are they both the same? It is my opinion that bjj only teaches a few takedowns (single and double leg takedowns). Thats pretty much all you you see. For those of you that do bjj what other have you learned?

Actually, JD, you're correct. BJJ only teaches a handful of takedowns, but has many ways of getting them that are different and similar to wrestling. In truth, a lot of BJJ takedowns DID in fact come from wrestling. The Gracies competed regularly in wrestling competitions and implemented many of its takedown strategies. Most notably, Rolls Gracie was adamant that students learn wrestling, judo and anything else that would benefit them.

In my honest opinion, wrestling has better takedowns. This would explain why many BJJers learn wrestling to develop core strength, takedowns and takedown defense.

BJJ has always been weak in the takedown and takedown defense area. In the old days, most BJJ guys would just get taken down and work from the guard if their opponent was a judoka or wrestler. Today, with all the cross-training going on it's different. But most BJJ schools I've trained at still have relatively weak takedowns compared to wrestling.

[jubaji]

[QUOTE=JadeDragon;318776][QUOTE=jubaji;318766]You claim to have wrestled at Lafayette High School and you claim to have studied BJJ for a year. That is more than enough to know the obvious answers to your great questions.

Let me say again: I don't give a rat's ass what a great person like you believes or not. I think I've outlined my experience here many times, and if you want to know something I'll tell you.

Jubaji, have you ever tasted a d**** sweeter than mine.

Keep your deviance to yourself, Jethro.

[chillaplata]

I've had a similar experience. At my BJJ school we train basic singles and doubles with simple set-ups. We also train some basic judo throws (e.g. hip throws).

I think we are learning the same elementary techniques that wrestlers and judoka learn. It's just that wrestlers and judoka are probably going to be much better at executing these techniques, since they spend a lot more time training them and there is much more of an emphasis on them in competition. Also, good wrestlers and judoka are likely going to be proficient in a much greater range of takedowns and throws, and their technique is going to be more sophisticated (better set-ups, better adaptation to counters, etc.)

EDIT: Just to be clear I was responding to pstevens's post -- jubaji posted while I was typing

[JadeDragon]

You want to promote yourself as an experienced MA, then you ask ridiculous newbie questions. Then, sooner or later, go off on one of your hillbilly rants.

Jubaji.....you should read pstevens reply. It is a great answer with no insults put in like you always do.

Actually, JD, you're correct. BJJ only teaches a handful of takedowns, but has many ways of getting them that are different and similar to wrestling. In truth, a lot of BJJ takedowns DID in fact come from wrestling. The Gracies competed regularly in wrestling competitions and implemented many of its takedown strategies. Most notably, Rolls Gracie was adamant that students learn wrestling, judo and anything else that would benefit them.

In my honest opinion, wrestling has better takedowns. This would explain why many BJJers learn wrestling to develop core strength, takedowns and takedown defense.

BJJ has always been weak in the takedown and takedown defense area. In the old days, most BJJ guys would just get taken down and work from the guard if their opponent was a judoka or wrestler. Today, with all the cross-training going on it's different. But most BJJ schools I've trained at still have relatively weak takedowns compared to wrestling.

Thanks pstevens for a great answer. Jubaji seems to think it was a stupid question but I was asking because I was curious what others had to say. Plus to get a new topic started because the other threads seemed to be getting off topic with jubaji's bickering. And it looks like he's doing it again.

I've had a similar experience. At my BJJ school we train basic singles and doubles with simple set-ups. We also train some basic judo throws (e.g. hip throws).

I think we are learning the same elementary techniques that wrestlers and judoka learn. It's just that wrestlers and judoka are probably going to be much better at executing these techniques, since they spend a lot more time training them and there is much more of an emphasis on them in competition. Also, good wrestlers and judoka are likely going to be proficient in a much greater range of takedowns and throws, and their technique is going to be more sophisticated (better set-ups, better adaptation to counters, etc.)

EDIT: Just to be clear I was responding to pstevens's post -- jubaji posted while I was typing

Thanks for the input.

[jubaji]

Jubaji seems to think it was a stupid question

It was a stupid question, quite suitable considering the source.

[Tant01]

Ju... seriously. We've all had "slow" (students)... I don't care who these people are or what they may claim for experience. If they have the courage to reach out on the WWW and seek feedback or advice it would be nice to read MORE from you than how "stupid" a question may seem. It's virtual conversation. I've participated in similar discussions with a number of our local BJJ players more than once.

I highly doubt you would tollerate your own attitude on the forum(s?) you moderate? Think about it.

I don't care if you want to talk DOWN to the virtual idiots here. I've never had a problem with that. Frankly I don't know what's MORE hilarious. There ain't much content in your general posts here but my god man? The reactions you get range from pathetic and sad to outright hysterical.

I'm rolling on the floor laughing my ass of until it hurts so bad I almost puke (rotflmaouihsbiap)?

But I'd still like to be educated as well as entertained.

I'm not up on the variations of wrestling takedowns but I'm sure you know a few tricks? While I draw on Judo and a little BJJ I hardly consider where I started out. I don't think much of my ability NOW. ( I'd rather rely on a weapon) I know what I can do and it has rarely failed but none of us are perfect.

If it's clear Ju? We understand some of us have swiss cheese for brains? Too much oxygen deprevation in our past? Maybe even a stroke? (who cares) I might be 19 and know it all? Or hold a pee-wee black belt in some secret ninja style? (or the invisible sash kong-fu) LOL Com' on... Phui. Lets try a BIT harder to keep it constructive!

(please)