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  • #16
    Originally posted by jubaji View Post
    It was a stupid question, quite suitable considering the source.
    This is Jubaji......blaa blaa blaa blaa blaaa idiot blaa blaa blaa blaa idiot.

    How old are you jubaji? You act like your 13 years old. Are you sure your an adult because you sure don't act like one by the way you have to insult people. Weather you think I'm full of sh!t or not why can't you just let it go in one ear and out the other and just ignore me if I bother you that much?? Your showing your imaturity and it's not becoming of you. I bet you couldn't get laid in a whore house with a fist full of hundred dollar bills. Your pathetic man. Grow up.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by JadeDragon View Post
      This is Jubaji......blaa blaa blaa blaa blaaa idiot blaa blaa blaa blaa idiot.

      How old are you jubaji? You act like your 13 years old. Are you sure your an adult because you sure don't act like one by the way you have to insult people. Weather you think I'm full of sh!t or not why can't you just let it go in one ear and out the other and just ignore me if I bother you that much?? Your showing your imaturity and it's not becoming of you. I bet you couldn't get laid in a whore house with a fist full of hundred dollar bills. Your pathetic man. Grow up.






      Brilliant retort.


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      • #18
        jubaji......whats your user name on DL? I just want to know which loser I'm talking to from there. Are you the BOY that goes by SunWu?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Tant01 View Post
          Ju... seriously. We've all had "slow" (students)... I don't care who these people are or what they may claim for experience. If they have the courage to reach out on the WWW and seek feedback or advice it would be nice to read MORE from you than how "stupid" a question may seem. It's virtual conversation. I've participated in similar discussions with a number of our local BJJ players more than once.

          I highly doubt you would tollerate your own attitude on the forum(s?) you moderate? Think about it.

          I don't care if you want to talk DOWN to the virtual idiots here. I've never had a problem with that. Frankly I don't know what's MORE hilarious. There ain't much content in your general posts here but my god man? The reactions you get range from pathetic and sad to outright hysterical.

          I'm rolling on the floor laughing my ass of until it hurts so bad I almost puke (rotflmaouihsbiap)?

          But I'd still like to be educated as well as entertained.

          I'm not up on the variations of wrestling takedowns but I'm sure you know a few tricks? While I draw on Judo and a little BJJ I hardly consider where I started out. I don't think much of my ability NOW. ( I'd rather rely on a weapon) I know what I can do and it has rarely failed but none of us are perfect.

          If it's clear Ju? We understand some of us have swiss cheese for brains? Too much oxygen deprevation in our past? Maybe even a stroke? (who cares) I might be 19 and know it all? Or hold a pee-wee black belt in some secret ninja style? (or the invisible sash kong-fu) LOL Com' on... Phui. Lets try a BIT harder to keep it constructive!

          (please)



          I don't disagree. The real issue is with this particular poster. If you were as familiar with his (lack of) character you'd understand - if not condone - my disdain (see post #23). Nonetheless I get your point.

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          • #20
            "yes"

            Originally posted by JadeDragon View Post
            Do you think that wrestling and bjj can compliment each other?


            If you have wrestled in high school and/or college for many years can that experience help you when learng bjj?

            Which has better takedown ability........a wrestler or a bjj stylist or are they both the same? It is my opinion that bjj only teaches a few takedowns (single and double leg takedowns). Thats pretty much all you you see. For those of you that do bjj what other have you learned?
            In my limited experience with college level grapplers I have noticed they have a tendency to "muscle" through technique rather than rely on sensitivity and timing. Where they will try to use dynamic force to MAKE things happen, a Judo player may wait for some error or other opportunity, vulnerability or weakness in balance or force.

            Wrestlers are more "proactive" in my opinion where a Jiu-jitsu man will tend to react or capitalize on a particular position...

            We can all learn more from training with a good wrestler...

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            • #21
              Originally posted by JadeDragon View Post
              jubaji......whats your user name on DL? I just want to know which looser I'm talking to from there. Are you the BOY that goes by SunWu?



              What's a "looser"? And, again, why do you use the term "BOY" in that way? Are you trying to say something? Maybe something you don't have the balls to come right out and say because it would leave you no room to deny your racism?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Tant01 View Post
                I'm rolling on the floor laughing my ass off until it hurts so bad I almost puke (rotflmaouihsbiap)?
                Thats a good one. Did you just make that one up? Can I use that one if I cite where it came from?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by jubaji View Post
                  What's a "loser"? And, again, why do you use the term "BOY" in that way? Are you trying to say something? Maybe something you don't have the balls to come right out and say because it would leave you no room to deny your racism?

                  You keep insisting that I'm a racist and a hick so I thought that I would humor you and talk like one. I think we all know what is meant by that word BOY. Or are you an uneducated BOY? You'd love for me to come out and say the other word wouldn't you? you know I only use that word Boy because you say I'm racist so I humor you. I'm really not racist. But the truth of the matter is you are acting like a ******.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Tant01 View Post
                    In my limited experience with college level grapplers I have noticed they have a tendency to "muscle" through technique rather than rely on sensitivity and timing. Where they will try to use dynamic force to MAKE things happen, a Judo player may wait for some error or other opportunity, vulnerability or weakness in balance or force.

                    Wrestlers are more "proactive" in my opinion where a Jiu-jitsu man will tend to react or capitalize on a particular position...

                    We can all learn more from training with a good wrestler...

                    Just this morning I was reading a book called Wrestling for Beginners by Tom Jarman and Reid Hanley. It's aimed at high school kids who are just starting out in wrestling, but it's also educational for old guys like me who've never wrestled. The authors begin an introductory chapter on wrestling strategy with the following thoughts:
                    Aggressiveness. No other ingredient may be more apparent in champion wrestlers than aggressiveness...You must take the match to your opponent. Counter wrestlers, who wait for the opponent to make the first move, invariably run into trouble as the competition gets tougher.

                    Match control. Aggressiveness may be the key factor in what is called match control...As the bout develops, each wrestler attempts to make his opponent react instead of act. The principle involved is that the acting wrestler will more often score points than the reacting opponent. Don't assume that this means you should try to get the upper hand with reckless abandon; remember the word control. To control the match you simply put as much pressure on the opponent as possible to keep him reacting throught the match

                    As I said I've never wrestled (or played judo), and I'm far from experienced in BJJ, but I would have thought the above is good advice for practitioners in any grappling discipline. Certainly our BJJ instructors constantly stress the importance of maintaining the initiative and keeping pressure on your opponent. Two questions: Tant, do you think that judo lends itself more readily to a reactive, countering strategy than do wrestling or BJJ? Jubaji, do you agree with the authors' general opinion on counter-wrestling?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Tant01 View Post
                      In my limited experience with college level grapplers I have noticed they have a tendency to "muscle" through technique rather than rely on sensitivity and timing. Where they will try to use dynamic force to MAKE things happen, a Judo player may wait for some error or other opportunity, vulnerability or weakness in balance or force.

                      Wrestlers are more "proactive" in my opinion where a Jiu-jitsu man will tend to react or capitalize on a particular position...

                      We can all learn more from training with a good wrestler...


                      I think you are missing something about those grapplers (unless they just weren't very good). I believe there is at least as much sensitivity, timing, balance, miai, etc. involved in wrestling as any other form of grappling, but if they happened to be much stronger and more aggressive than you (for example) you might not have seen that aspect of what they were doing because they could blow right through you. Two wrestlers that are fairly evenly matched will both be strong, fit, and aggressive. Those factors being similar, other factors become more decisive. At a high level of competition, a wrestling match is a fast, violent chess match that takes place on many levels. A lot of people find this level of wrestling boring to watch because they can't see everything that's going on. Throw someone into a match at such a level won't feel what's going on, they will just be aware of being brutalized.


                      Or to put it another way: A large adult aikidoka being attacked by a scrawny little kid would not need to display any great sophistication in dealing with the situation.


                      Not that I'm imagining you personally as a stick figure or anything, just making a general point.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by JadeDragon View Post
                        You keep insisting that I'm a racist and a hick so I thought that I would humor you and talk like one. I think we all know what is meant by that word BOY. Or are you an uneducated BOY? You'd love for me to come out and say the other word wouldn't you? you know I only use that word Boy because you say I'm racist so I humor you. I'm really not racist. But the truth of the matter is you are acting like a ******.


                        So you are 'proving' you are not racist by posting like a racist (albeit one without the courage to come right out and say what he means)? That makes about as much sense as everything else you say, Jethro.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by JadeDragon View Post
                          Do you think that wrestling and bjj can compliment each other?

                          If you have wrestled in high school and/or college for many years can that experience help you when learng bjj?

                          Which has better takedown ability........a wrestler or a bjj stylist or are they both the same? It is my opinion that bjj only teaches a few takedowns (single and double leg takedowns). Thats pretty much all you you see. For those of you that do bjj what other have you learned?
                          JD, I notice that your sig lists both a Gracie-Barra affiliate and another BJJ school. My school is a G-B affiliate as well, and we spend probably between a third to a half or the instruction time in most classes drilling stand-up grappling techniques (throws and takedowns, counters to headlocks and bearhugs, etc.). I'm very happy with that mix, as I think it helps me to become a much more complete grappler (especially as I have no wrestling or judo experience).

                          Has your experience been similar? Do you train more stand-up at the G-B school than at the other school?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by chillaplata View Post
                            Jubaji, do you agree with the authors' general opinion on counter-wrestling?


                            I think it's a generalization, which would be fine as a way of instilling successful habits in a beginner. Think of it this way: boxers who counter punch are not necessarily passive fighters, nor do they necessarily fail to control the fight - quite the contrary really. Attacking, countering, feinting, baiting, etc. are all parts of match between closely matched wrestlers.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by JadeDragon View Post
                              I'm a racist and a hick so I think we all know what is meant by that word BOY. Or are you an uneducated BOY? You'd love for me to come out and say the other word wouldn't you?



                              Everyone should have a good look at the above quote. True colors (so to speak).

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                              • #30
                                Originally Posted by chillaplata View Post
                                Jubaji, do you agree with the authors' general opinion on counter-wrestling?

                                I think it's a generalization, which would be fine as a way of instilling successful habits in a beginner. Think of it this way: boxers who counter punch are not necessarily passive fighters, nor do they necessarily fail to control the fight - quite the contrary really. Attacking, countering, feinting, baiting, etc. are all parts of match between closely matched wrestlers.


                                That makes sense -- if I'm understanding you correctly it would often take more skill and experience to control a fight and maintain the initiative INDIRECTLY (by trying to draw in your opponent and countering) than DIRECTLY (by constantly attacking). So you want to train the beginner to maintain the initiative by keeping constant pressure on the opponent. Then as he gains experience, he will learn to control the fight in more subtle ways.

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