Judo Good For Takedowns?

[JaredExtreme]

Hey yo,

We've been working on our takedowns at my school, and i was wondering if you guys think Judo throws are effective for sparring/tournaments. I'm at a Carlson Gracie school and we do practice the Judo throws and trips, but everyone pretty much uses wrestling takedowns when we spar. I have only gotten a judo throw to work ONCE in six months, most of the time my opponent gets my back when I go for them. Should I just focus on the wrestling takedowns, or do you guys think the judo throws are worth the time and effort it takes to master them?

[dan downard]

This is a subject of good discussion.I kinda feel that you expose your back alot in a judo throw.That is why it must be done quickly with near perfect technique.(imo)If I use a judo tech for a takedown it is usually facing my opponant and I use the foot sweeps and try and use the ones I know that let you remain facing your opponant.Not that I know that many.

[duchman]

one word: YES!

I always love when people say that judo thows don't work, people who say that are most of the time
1 Afraid to get thrown
2 Suck at throws.

Yes, wrestling take downs are easier to learn but are better for a nogi situation.
How many succesful wrestling take downs have you seen in a gi situation?

Judo Throws are the best for gi grappling, all the top bjj'ers (rickson etc.) study judo.

Throwing for bjj competition is different than normal judo competition.
In a bjj competition everybody stands low with there but back, so you must get past the arms to throw them.
So will have to practice on that.

There are some different judo "style's". It all starts in the gripping.
For bjj competition a "russian" grip is better IMHO than the classical judo grip. It's much easier to learn also than the classical way of throwing.The russian grip comes from sambo

Wich grip i use? the classical. Why? i've bin raised that way there is nothing wrong with that, the cammerilo (sp?) are high level judo and bjj player's who are classical judo players

But anyway, take up judo, no mather what "style". Learn to use them in a bjj situation.

[Oldskulbus]

Jared

Yes throws are effective. If you study Judo or another art that uses them effectivly. You say that you have only gotten a throw to work once in six months but it is possible that you have learned the technique wrong or not learned the application of it correctly. Before you get deffensive about your trainning take into account that you go to a school designed to teach you ground competition not throws and takedowns.
Are Judo throws worth the time it takes to master them? If you went to a Judo school then yes. Becasue it would only take you about 2-3 years to master a throw. But learning to master a throw through a BJJ school would take you forever because throws aren't the main idea behind BJJ. So mastering Judo throw through your school is not worth the time.
Master ground stuff, master the basic takedowns that BJJ is familiar with. and then decide where you want to go from there.

[Martial Artist]

Originally posted by duchman
one word: YES!

I always love when people say that judo thows don't work, people who say that are most of the time
1 Afraid to get thrown
2 Suck at throws.

Yes, wrestling take downs are easier to learn but are better for a nogi situation.
How many succesful wrestling take downs have you seen in a gi situation?

From watching the 97,99, mundial, and state championships, most of the takedowns are double leg takedowns. Most people (ESPECIALLY in BJJ comp), hate giving there backs. So you dont see alot of hip throws and stuff. Since double leg takedowns dont give your opponent a clean shot at your back, they are the most popular. One of the best BJJ fighers, Saulo Ribeiro, has excelent Judo throws. In fact, its on www.intheguard.com tech factor labeld as Saulos favorite takedowns.

[Ryu]

You need good kazushi (balance breaking) in order for throws to work. Judo throws that involve turning the back do work very effectively, but it is a misconception that judo throws are only ones that expose the back. The double leg takedown can be found in judo as well as back suplexes (ura nage) and lifts and slams. Some of my favorite judo throws are ashi waza or foot techniques. You don't need a gi to make throws like Osoto gari, koshi guruma, or harai goshi work. In fact, those three throws work extremely well from a Muay Thai clinch where the person is throwing knees and headbutts, and has control over the opponent's neck. Pulling the man off balance, and going into harai goshi is very economical and smooth.

Ryu

[Lacrymosa]

If competing with the gi on, Judo is incredibly effective for one that has the patience to develop their throws. In BJJ competition, I admit that I tend to lean toward the throws that don't expose the back as readily. For those instances, I've worked alot on my De Ashi Harai (foot sweep).

For throws that DO momentarily expose the back, I tend to use different footwork. I've been known to use a Seao Nage to throw a foe every now and then, but instead of "stepping" into the throw (which give plenty of time to latch onto my back and drag me down), I use a "jump-switch" footwork for faster action.

I know Judo exposes the back on many of the throws, but let's face it.....giving your back in Judo isn't as consequential as in BJJ. Hell, you give your back in Judo and less than 30 seconds later, the ref is standing you up again. Give yourself time to try the Judo throws in practice and you'll eventually adjust your game to not give up your back. Different environment in the BJJ game, but you CAN adjust your game accordingly.

[duchman]

Never mind what 3 judo brown belts say (me, lacrymosa, ryu)martial artist is right he has seen 4 video tapes and is a Royce 2 stripe bjj yellow belt, how can you beat that?

[Lacrymosa]

I don't necessarily think this is a matter of who's right and who's wrong. Rather BJJ is a totally different animal than Judo. Just like it takes some adjustment to enter a Judo competition armed with BJJ......(and be stood up after a minimal amount of ground time).....it takes some adjustments to use your Judo throws in a BJJ environment.

It's all more evidence to the contention that this world is not perfect......and neither are the martial arts therein. Bet you didn't see that coming.....

[Hookah Smokin Caterpillar]

The thing about it is just like my Jiu Jitsu teacher told us. Don't expect to get good at Judo throws here, this is a Jiu Jitsu class. I think studying Jiu Jitsu and wrestling (I already got this covered, my BJJ school is really into wrestling techniques) really helps you in BJJ. Can't hurt. Personally I can tell since I am a pretty decent wrestler I had a huge advantage in my first tournament vs. the guys that were as good as me in BJJ.

[Atomic]

Judo throws are effective for BJJ. Hell, most of the BJJ guys I worked out with didn't want to start standing because I'd drop them. And it doesn't take 2-3 years to master a throw. After you have the basics down, it'll take you about 2-3 months to master a throw if you work dilegently. If you want to see it even more faster, train 6 days a week (like I did in Japan) and you'll do it in a month or less.

[festiva]

judo sure is good for take downs i use them as a setup for the double leg or single leg.or i reverse the situation i go for the single leg then finish with o soto gari or such sometimes a partial expose of your back makes your opponent commit and that has everything to do with takedowns..