Why Problems in The Middle East?

[Szczepankiewicz]

Festiva

You crack me up man...

Never had a problem? Oh, you mean internationally? I guess the Perfect Society is how we should all pattern ourselves? Helps to live right next door to the big kid on the block I guess.

If it's so perfect in Canada eh, quit sending us your people in need of medical treatment that they don't have to wait 6 months to a year for.... Free medical indeed.

As far as what the United Nations has said or not said, I have only one word in response:

Groupthink.

Oh, and by the way, tell the honies in Timmins, Ontario I said hi.

I do so love the Canadians!

Peace,

SZ

[flyinclockchoke]

S

Help the forum understand how the Palestinians never claimed the land as theirs...

Also help the forum members understand how Herbert Samual, the Jew, played a vital role in British-administered Palestine.

If you and your ancestors have been living there for hundreds of years, how is that land not yours? I guess they were just keeping an eye on it, for all you Jews, eh? Kinda like your housesitter, huh?

I guess I'll just keep the land irrigated and the infrastructure intact and develop the trade and such, so the Jews can one day move in to my home, eh? That's a great idea...

You can't learn from the past because you fail to address the real issue... the real issue is not about religion...

1. First and foremost, it's about a bunch of people who were driven from their homes... They just all happened to be Arab and Muslim...

2. Religion only plays significance in the sense that we're dealing with folks (on both sides) which have radical factions amongst them. These radicals are willing to go to extreme lengths to prove their viewpoint.

Funny thing you mention Beijing... The great thing is that they can at least admit that there is a lot of sketchy things going on in the government behind closed doors... The sad thing is that Americans don't even know or refuse to believe, for it is to horrific for them to believe...

You mention self-preservation. The Palestinians feel the same way. Islam doesn't want to eliminate all other religions or kill Jews. That's not what they preach.

That's different from what Palestinians and Arabs as a people of the region feel, because they view Jews as invaders. They feel the need for self-preservation.

Granted, Jews might have, at one time lived there many thousands of years ago, and continue to live in that region today. But that's not the issue. Even, if the land is "yours to take back" you should take it back more gracefully than displacing 400,000 Arabs from their homes and belongings... Turned these people into refugees... The British helped play a major role, and when the dust settled, they couldn't hang with it... they couldn't make it work, so they pulled out and let the UNITED NATIONS take over... Before we bomb bin Laden, we should take a baseball bat to Britain's balls first...

Of course Britain would fail with their miserable plan... They knew the Palestinians wouldn't have that s'hit. You have a Jew as the governer of a region full of Palestinians... Palestinians were afraid that the British would not return their lands as promised and were even more scared of the prospect of an independent Jewish state, right in their own backyard. So Britain just said, f'uck it... I'm outta here!

How the f'uck is the problem gonna get solved now? You see, it's f'ucked... That's what the problem is... it's not simply a matter of religions not getting along... that's not the real reason... don't believe the hype... it's about people being kicked out of their homes... that's all it is! that's how this problem started... people getting kicked out of their homes... not muslim vs jew...

[Szczepankiewicz]

OH that's what it's all about?

I thought it was all about Bush's S*hitty foreign policy!?!?

Dang man, you need to type slower I just can't keep up with all these changes in position.

[flyinclockchoke]

i'm sorry i take that back...

ok, i'm sorry, i retract that statement...

in light of all this information though... we'll let the forum members decide for themselves if Bush's Foreign Policy is "shitty" or not...

[Szczepankiewicz]

Which statement are you retracting, there are so MANY to chose from?

I thought you already decided what was wrong, who was at fault, and what needs to be done to fix it!?!?

If this keeps up my head will explode. I can't hang with a prolonged debate at your level.


Can you 'splain it (no, that is too much) can you sum up for me what this is all about?

[Qkfx]

wrong

The palestenians were not kicked out. The Arab nations decided to have a little five on one and told the Palestenians to clear out so they could invade. Those who left to join the invasion, or at least make way for it were not allowed back after Israel won the war. Those who didn't were integrated in. It's all about belief, belief dictates action. It's how Hitler justified the Holocaust, Mao and Stalin the slaughter of hundreds of thousands and so on.

[flyinclockchoke]

quit messing around...

ok dude,

i don't retract the "shitty foreign policy" statement... i was just trying to make an unbiased gesture so as not to sway the forum members to think my way... i want the forum members to think for themselves...

FOR THE RECORD... FORUM MEMBERS... DON'T BELIEVE ME BECAUSE I'M JUST A LIAR. PLEASE BY ALL MEANS, FIND THIS INFORMATION YOURSELF ON THE INTERNET. DO THE RESEARCH AND SPEND THE TIME. YOU DESERVE TO KNOW THE TRUTH.

i started out my posts with the intent of informing other americans of the facts surrounding the establishment of Israel and what our government's policies are towards the MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS.

My personal opinion is, and I'm motivated strictly by my deep sense of nationalism and patriotism towards my country of American and towards the American people, that the USA foreign policy in the Middle East, and our cooperation with Israel is at a point where Americans should seriously evaluate what our role is in the middle east and what our position should be during the peace negotiations...

but that is just my personal opinion... after researching all the facts, the forum readers should decide for themselves, if our foreign policy is s'hitty or not... that's a much better way to put it... I do know what's wrong... I do know who's guilty. I do know what needs to be done... The thing is, most Americans don't know... so hopefully this will motivate them to do a bit of research. i have no other intentions but to let more americans become aware... if they do the research, they'll come to the same conclusions as me.

consider the attacks on NYC as but a milestone. for the planning of these terrorist attacks took much longer than a mere year or two years... it's the culmination of 50 years of strife, struggle, violence and hate... the weapons are different, but the battleground remains the same. the only difference is that the warzone has expanded... more innocents will die before there is peace.

But S,

You still haven't addressed the issue of displacing all those innocent Palestinians. Let's talk about some hard to tackle issues here. Who's at fault? Also, help the forum readers understand who Herbert Samuel was and HOW/WHY his role was so important.

Thanks for your time and efforts in helping other forum members seek the truth.

You're doing a good job!

[Szczepankiewicz]

So what you're saying QKFX is that America shouldn't have dropped bombs on Hitler and Economically destroyed the Soviet Union, and should give China a wide berth in Asia?


We could have/ should solve all of our problems through diplomacy?

See, you are like all those other right-wing gun nuts who believe that violence actually teaches people that they just can't do what they want whenever they want?

Did violence stop the Japanese from invading more countries after WWII? Ok, yes it did, bad example...

Did violence stop Germany from invading.... sorry, another bad example.

Did violent retribution get Iraq out of Kuwait? Dang, I am 0 for 3.


But my point is, if you talk long enough then people will respond in a positive light.

I mean, look at how well today's children behave and stay out of trouble and gangs do to the invention of Time Out! No threats of physical punishment needed to keep well ordered and nonviolent children in the schools.....


Can't we all just get along?

[Szczepankiewicz]

You're right FCC.

I have not addressed the issue of displaced Palestinians. There are a thousand different reasons why the Palestinians, the Isrealites, and the other Arab nations just can't get along. I guess I am of the understanding that thousands of years of hatred and bloodshed cannot be understood and paraphrased into a few sound bytes...

Any single nation, leader, policy, event or any other singular subject cannot be the source of all this mess.

But you have researched this. You have discovered all the facts, interrelationships between foreign powers, etc. So if you have all the facts, and know the reasons why the crap has hit the fan, and you know how this can be fixed then why are you wasting your valuable time arguing with Qkfx and myself on the internet?

Or is it that you wish to enlist the help of others to your noble cause? I am sorry to say that I cannot be your traveling companion, as I have other duties and responsibilities to attend to on the home front.

I mean a man of your calibre who has all the answers (especially if you found them all on the internet) shouldn't be quibbling with the likes of us on some insignificant internet forum.

Come on dude, actions speak so much louder than words.

You got my vote baby! November is just around the corner.

[flyinclockchoke]

what's funny S

What do Japan, Germany and Iraq NOT HAVE IN COMMON with OSAMA BIN LADEN? Do you know or should I tell you?

A single nation, leader, policy, event or any other singular subject cannot be the source of all this mess... How true you are. But what do you mean? If what you say is true, then what nations, leaders, policies and events are responsible for creating a motherf'ucker like bin Laden?

You get my point?

As for your NOVEMBER vote, I would appreciate it. You would be the first I'd deport.

[Szczepankiewicz]

You would deport your biggest fan? Where would I be deported to? Back to the US from China?

You already enlightened me that it was Bush's s*hitty foreign policy that created the monsters of this tragedy. Don't worry, my Cid, your words have not fallen on deaf ears.