America's Foundation

[Qkfx]

Most of you guys are well aware of this but it seems a few, like flying clock choke are not. America is a Christian nation, we were founded on Biblical truths and an acknolwedgement of dependendence on the Christian God from the beginning. A person, or community or nation's behavior is a direct result of their central belief system. You look at America, especially now and you see how our freedoms and prosperity and up until last week our security stands in such contrast to the rest of the world. Ask yourself why? People are peole, white, black, arab, asian...all are equal.
So why have we prospered so greatly? You can look at humanist countries, muslim countries, hindu and budhist countries. Just like us their ideas of right and wrong, social justice and entire social order are derived from their central belief system. Their is simply no comparison. This weekend millions of Americans returned to their roots, our churches were overflowing. Because at the heart of it we know we became distracted with so many worthless things, we forgot who got us here. What we knew in our hearts we needed was a personal relationship with God, not dry religous rituals, not humanist ideologies saying there is nothing higher than man, not the distant mystical force of the "new age". Only Jesus said open your heart and know me right here and now and that is what America once acknowledged and is thankully returning to.
For those who aren't Christian and have no interest in it. Just realize that it is because of Christians that this country has freedoms for people of all faiths, somehting you do not find in their countries. For those who would say that faith is for the weak or ignorant. Our founding fathers were all very well educated. The father sof almost every field of science, from Newton to Pascal were Christians also. If you think getting rid of God is the way then you can see the results in the failures of the Soviet Union and CHina.

[hounddog]

What are biblical truths? That doesn't sound right.

[Qkfx]

no?

What doesn't sound right about it? Basically the founders acknowledged the truth of scripture and based our entire way of life upon it. The result? A freedom never before seen in any other country.

[flyinclockchoke]

biblical truths...

hey Q-ball,

hehehe, you're diggin a ditch for yourself. i can't wait to be the one to start fillin' it up...

biblical truths, eh? the only truth you preach is that your book is better than everybody else's book... sorry, don't buy it... I believe in God, but not your Christian God. In don't believe in Allah, either... But I do believe that a lot of events related in both the Bible and the Quran are historical truths. That much is certain. But neither side is willing to accept the other's interpretation. It's easy for either side to point fingers at the other and call names etc...

BIBLICAL LAW is not REAL LAW... why do we have abortions? don't know but ask most women and they'll talk about their right to free choice. why are there prostitutes? i don't know but the russian girls with the real long legs, they're really pretty. why can I smoke a phat f'ucking joint if I wanted to? don't know, but I sure do enjoy being able to smoke my bong.

because this is a free country and I can choose to believe in whatever I want... Christian Values no longer apply. What does apply is straight forward common sense. But, I still have to follow the law.

I don't have to believe in a Christian God to be a righteous human being. your shit about being a righteous christian is ridiculous... how about being just a righteous american... christian values my ass... more freedoms... yep... freedoms to have what, Carnivore unleashed on your f'ucking ass? you think the people in this country are free? THEY ARE RELATIVELY FREE TO DO THINGS COMPARED TO PEOPLE OF OTHER COUNTRIES. But I think Holland is even more progressive... What kind of Christian Values do we got going on over there? I think that they're doing quite well.

You're an idiot... When businesses sign contracts and do deals, do they let their Christian values guide them... huh? Or do they let Benjamin Franklin do the talking? A country is essentially like a large corporation. Common sense would dictate that cooperation is the key. That honesty and integrity are vital to instill good values and give everybody a fair chance... It's got nothing to do with God. Why do animals hunt together? It's called survival. If not, they starve to death. They need each other, and they know it... They will learn, eat and live. It's called, natural selection you big doo doo head! It's a basic human instinct, cooperation... as well as self-preservation...

why the hell would we stop saying the pledge of allegiance in classrooms? because of that one line... "one nation under God" baby!!! Christian values, eh? What are we teaching children in school about the creation of the world? WE'RE TEACHING THEM THE BIG BANG BABY! You betta get used to it. What does that tell you about Christian Values?

Biblical Truths, eh? you are nothing more than a religious extremist. And anytime you use that argument, you're gonna get bit in the ass! Not just by me, but by others as well!

[Szczepankiewicz]

Yeah QKFX

You big doo doo head!

[JaredExtreme]

Qkfx, first of all let me say that I respect your opinion and I won't be doing any namecalling. With that out of the way I'll continue. I think it's rather simplistic of you to base our countries success on the Christian god. If this were true, why hasn't Mexico and the rest of South America excelled? After all, they have the same religeon as 'us'. As for our founders being well educated, for their time they were. But even you must admit that we know MUCH more about our world today than they did. For most of the American poplation that means we no longer need a god to explain things or feel better about ourselves. If you think having a god is the answer, just look at Ireland and all the Christians killing each other there, or maybe look up something called the Crusades. All done in the name of God.

[Oldskulbus]

Actually I would have to disagree with you Qkfx. People fleeing religious persecution founded this country. They felt that the Catholic religion wasn’t the right path so they chose another one for themselves. Our founding fathers knew that the reason why the country worked was because they had the right to a certain freedom that governments couldn’t take a way. Yes most of the people in this country are Christen. But no this country wasn’t founded with the belief in God so much as it was founded by the belief in Freedom.

[Qkfx]

unbelievable

Well flyingchoker let me adress your immature name calling post. I swear you must be 15. We do say the Bible is the word of God, the only Word and Jesus the only way to God. Yeah at frst that can sound narrow minded. But all the other religons of the world that are supposed to be so open minded really aren't. Hindus have a set of spiritual laws, as do buhdist and every other belief system. They all believe in absolutes in one way or the other with accompanying consequences for not believing.
Secondly the idea that all roads lead to God, since you ackowledge there is a God, is simply illogocial. Every man, woman and child on this planet has likes and dislike, things they consider absolutely wrong and right, they have a distinct personlaity. Yet somehow God should not, he should be a giant mass of energy that we shape according to our will. If the God of the Christians, Muslims, Hindus and so on is the same God then he has multiple personalities and lies to people. So it's not wrong to look through the various claims to seek the truth and find the real God. One of love, mercy and grace but also righteousness and holiness.
With that being said the creator's law is the only real law because there is no higher authority. Man's laws can either reflect that or follow their own way as we have. But if you're not in line with the system and parameters he set up it will not function properly. Having the freedom to do something doesn't make it right.
And yes if you take the time to study western civilization you will find our laws including our business laws are derived from Biblical laws. As far as your animal kingdom example their Mr. Crocodile Hunter, what does that have to do with anything except your still clinging to Darwin's failed theories. And before you try to "jump" on that do some research and find that the "hard" sciences, chemistry, biology etc.. are the ones who have deemed his theory failed. The social sciences hang onto the theory but there has been nothing but enourmous gaping holes found by secular scientist.
And you are right we have removed God from the classroom and the courthouse, mostly in the past 30 years. Oh and look how we've "progressed" since teaching the children their animals and not God's creation. Our schools are overun with violence as never before, as our are cities and towns. You constantly bring up humans coming together to solve our problems, united as one. Well that's a noble idea, and God said it long before Marx did. The only difference is when you try to reach that goal without God, well hey that's communism and you can see the result can't you?

[Qkfx]

Jarred

For the other guys - I would draw a distinct line between Catholic and Christian. Most Christians do not feel the Catholic church as an institution is Christian, though many believer are. That is why we came to this country, to escape their rule. The doctrines of the Catholic church are vastly different from that of the Christian church and the results are evident in Latin America and parts of Europe as well as the history of the Catholic church.
You say we came to seek freedom, but their very idea of freedom and what freedom was for was from the Bible. Read the mayflower compact and other writings from that time, they and their ideas were clearly Christian.
And again I bring up the foundation of this country for those who are willing to think through things logically. If we as a country have a level of freeedom and prosperity truly unique in all the world wouldn't it make sense to know it's origin's? As we have moved away from it as clock choke has said have we really progressed? I mean really look at the violence and the perversions and substance abuse. Our society has clearly not improved.

[hounddog]

Unfortunately for you, Qkfx, you were brainwashed as a child to believe that the bible is fact.

Most likely, you will never be able to overcome your brainwashing and believe in something that you formulated yourself as an adult.
-hD

[Qkfx]

wrong yet again

Hound dog-
well my friend yet again you are wrong. I didn't become a Christian until I was an adult. I've been an atheist then a new ager, then finally a Christian. The support for the Christian faith is substantial if you ever care to do the research you may be swayed as many who have set out to diprove it. But it's easy to sit back and be a sceptic with no foundation for your own beliefs.

[keithws]

,,,

[hounddog]

Qfxd,

What religion will you be seeking next?
-hD

[JaredExtreme]

qxfr

Catholics aren't Christians? Evolution has been disproven? QX, having your opinion is one thing, but stating blatent lies is another.

[Oldskulbus]

Re: unbelievable

Originally posted by Qkfx

And you are right we have removed God from the classroom and the courthouse, mostly in the past 30 years. Oh and look how we've "progressed" since teaching the children their animals and not God's creation. Our schools are overun with violence as never before, as our are cities and towns.

That isn't a factual statement at all. There is no possible way to compare the violence in our current time with the violence before we had high speed media coverage, internet, and good transportation. People have always killed each other and it is always either for god or for greed.

Today I can turn on the TV and see all these things I can't have. Movies make it out so that everyone can be a hero, you can be beautiful, you can be what ever you can be. Most people who aren't strong become disfuntional when they realize that the world isn't like it is on the WB.

I say that Religon is not needed. If there was no god then almost all of our wars would have never been fought, last week's tragedy would have never happened, and no one would give a rats ass about a place called jerusalem.